This topic is for discussion of map #7445: teks044 creeper cramming 1
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Author: teknotiss
Size: 153x153
Desc:
Another good map. The start was a bit of a puzzle, enjoyed it.
i was hoping the start would be at least slightly tricky, looks like i managed it!
cheers again dude 8)
:'(
I need help for this map,can someone give me some tips? :'(
Quote from: ykone on June 14, 2019, 03:02:01 AM
:'(
I need help for this map,can someone give me some tips? :'(
The main trick for this one is allowing creeper to build up and rush emitters. As your first emitter is on high terrain it will continue to pump out creeper allowing you to build deep reservoirs.
I have just noticed a cheat:
Spoiler
Land your CN in the top left of the map and fly it down to the base building a collector on the way to collect the bomber and sprayer tech. You can now target the nests with AC.
Wish I'd spotted this the first time round!!
For the end game the singularity helps to push the creep around.
Quote from: ykone on June 14, 2019, 03:02:01 AM
:'(
I need help for this map,can someone give me some tips? :'(
hey dude, i will reply here so others can see the options.
D0m0nik has a good tactic, but you can get a sprayer and bomber tech by landing at the start position too!
Spoiler
so what i did (i don't got for fast times in my maps so this won't be as fast) was to level most of the first area with terps to height 6, but left a small pit in the centre between the 2 exploding blue emitters.
then i cut down the wall and build height 9 walls to protect those exploders from the AC (9 level is equal to 450 AC/C depth)
cut the next wall to the north and flip the emitter below the central yellow gateway. then cut the walls north and flip the top emiiter between the power boosting "nests". If you "wall off" the yellow gateways you can save up AC faster too, and just cut them down later when you are ready to take those northern islands.
you can then get the bomber and sprayer in the central blackhole gateway area.
power up the island nests then start taking the remaining flip emitters on the first island area. then one by one take the exploder ones
that should get you going if D0m0ink's tactic is not for you! ;) 8)
if you are still stuck i will get some screenshots to help you later on!
Quote from: teknotiss on June 14, 2019, 06:01:08 AM
Spoiler
so what i did (i don't got for fast times in my maps so this won't be as fast) was to level most of the first area with terps to height 6, but left a small pit in the centre between the 2 exploding blue emitters.
then i cut down the wall and build height 9 walls to protect those exploders from the AC (9 level is equal to 450 AC/C depth)
cut the next wall to the north and flip the emitter below the central yellow gateway. then cut the walls north and flip the top emiiter between the power boosting "nests". If you "wall off" the yellow gateways you can save up AC faster too, and just cut them down later when you are ready to take those northern islands.
you can then get the bomber and sprayer in the central blackhole gateway area.
power up the island nests then start taking the remaining flip emitters on the first island area. then one by one take the exploder ones
Just a heads up, it's actually possible to
Spoiler
get all the tech in the center by only bringing down 1 wall. A lot of the side tech can then be collected with flying unit bridges without the need to bring down any additional walls.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZLKFPb5.png)
Opening up one emitter room lets you connect to the totem network, which chains all the way up to the top to let you collect all the upper tech. Getting the side tech at that point, of course, still requires a flying unit bridge as far as I can tell. And some of them are still unreachable until you clear some creeper, but this approach nets you a lot of tech by about 2-3 minutes in. Of course you'd be doing other stuff in the meantime, but for the purpose of this screenshot I only brought down that one emitter room and connected everything form there.
Quote from: cornucanis on June 14, 2019, 06:56:33 AM
Quote from: teknotiss on June 14, 2019, 06:01:08 AM
Spoiler
so what i did (i don't got for fast times in my maps so this won't be as fast) was to level most of the first area with terps to height 6, but left a small pit in the centre between the 2 exploding blue emitters.
then i cut down the wall and build height 9 walls to protect those exploders from the AC (9 level is equal to 450 AC/C depth)
cut the next wall to the north and flip the emitter below the central yellow gateway. then cut the walls north and flip the top emiiter between the power boosting "nests". If you "wall off" the yellow gateways you can save up AC faster too, and just cut them down later when you are ready to take those northern islands.
you can then get the bomber and sprayer in the central blackhole gateway area.
power up the island nests then start taking the remaining flip emitters on the first island area. then one by one take the exploder ones
Just a heads up, it's actually possible to
Spoiler
get all the tech in the center by only bringing down 1 wall. A lot of the side tech can then be collected with flying unit bridges without the need to bring down any additional walls.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZLKFPb5.png)
Opening up one emitter room lets you connect to the totem network, which chains all the way up to the top to let you collect all the upper tech. Getting the side tech at that point, of course, still requires a flying unit bridge as far as I can tell. And some of them are still unreachable until you clear some creeper, but this approach nets you a lot of tech by about 2-3 minutes in. Of course you'd be doing other stuff in the meantime, but for the purpose of this screenshot I only brought down that one emitter room and connected everything form there.
yup, true, i wonder how many people spotted that option?
I feel like a noob again :-[ :-\ ;D
Quote from: D0m0nik on June 15, 2019, 05:24:49 AM
I feel like a noob again :-[ :-\ ;D
lol i get that feeling sometimes!
missing obvious stuff can be infuriating ;) ;D 8)
Still trying to break out from the initial island.
I simply can't control the Forge's effect with the required precision. I move the creeper around, and in the end some creeper will start coming over from a neighbouring island and everything becomes uncontrollable very quickly.
Those low-level emitters that you get are just traps - they tend to get flooded, they suddenly emit double or triple what they'd with AC, so they make recovery very difficult, which in the end became very frustrating.
Is there a way to stop the black hole? I tend to have thousands of energy, and even at 25% it's activated for a minute or more, and I have to wait until it's gone. Setting a second black hole can distract, but the variable durations tend to end the black holes in random (and often catastrophic) order.
i totally avoided the black hole, you can wall it off but if you use a singularity too close you can over flood it. you do not need to use that island to win the game.
part of the problem for you might be overuse of the singularity weapon!
you can use some of the hints above in spoilers to get some sprayer and bomber tech early, then once you have powered up your emitters by flooding the power nest islands you will be able to overwhelm the flip and exploder emitters on the main island!
if you need more advice just ask, i can go make some screenies if you need them?
it was supposed to be a bit tricky, but not frustrating, sorry dude! 8)
I found it useful to keep upgrading packet speed to waste aether or select the totems and disable them! I wanted 100 per singularity blast and I only used it on the top Islands.
Quote from: D0m0nik on June 18, 2019, 05:29:45 AM
I found it useful to keep upgrading packet speed to waste aether or select the totems and disable them! I wanted 100 per singularity blast and I only used it on the top Islands.
Yes I was doing a similar tactic, let it get to 400/500 aether tops and set the singularity to 25%... don't want to be hanging about too long waiting for a pile of AC or C to disperse! :D
Quote from: teknotiss on June 18, 2019, 10:04:01 AM
Quote from: D0m0nik on June 18, 2019, 05:29:45 AM
I found it useful to keep upgrading packet speed to waste aether or select the totems and disable them! I wanted 100 per singularity blast and I only used it on the top Islands.
Yes I was doing a similar tactic, let it get to 400/500 aether tops and set the singularity to 25%... don't want to be hanging about too long waiting for a pile of AC or C to disperse! :D
That is exactly how I did it! Great minds... :P
Quote from: D0m0nik on June 18, 2019, 12:33:42 PM
Quote from: teknotiss on June 18, 2019, 10:04:01 AM
Quote from: D0m0nik on June 18, 2019, 05:29:45 AM
I found it useful to keep upgrading packet speed to waste aether or select the totems and disable them! I wanted 100 per singularity blast and I only used it on the top Islands.
Yes I was doing a similar tactic, let it get to 400/500 aether tops and set the singularity to 25%... don't want to be hanging about too long waiting for a pile of AC or C to disperse! :D
That is exactly how I did it! Great minds... :P
;) ;D 8)
Is it possible w/o singularity ? I always considered that as cheat
Quote from: bgzzz on August 01, 2019, 04:48:31 AM
Is it possible w/o singularity ? I always considered that as cheat
if the mapmaker leaves the singularity weapon in then it is not a cheat. :)
but yes this map can be done without the singularity, it just takes a lot longer. ;) ;D 8)
Dude, fantastic map! I love that there's no lag on my computer, plus the ability to use the sprayers as pumps. That's super-cool!
Love your CSM maps dude. Feel free to make more whenever ya get a chance ;D ;D ;)
Quote from: Johnny Haywire on April 13, 2020, 03:09:08 PM
Dude, fantastic map! I love that there's no lag on my computer, plus the ability to use the sprayers as pumps. That's super-cool!
Love your CSM maps dude. Feel free to make more whenever ya get a chance ;D ;D ;)
cheers man, i am working on a few more, but getting them to work the way i want is tricky... but i do have more free time so i need to stop being lazy! ;) 8)
Yeah, I hear ya :P
I forgot to mention that the AC emitter on high ground is also a nice bonus - even if people can't figure out what to do, they can just let it pump out for 15 minutes or so and then drown stuff.
It was fun to pump AC into one of the level 10 terrain chambers and do some experimenting.
And apparently the limit to how deep AC can get is 2,000. I don't think I knew that. So if you learn one new thing a day, that's good right?
Quote from: Johnny Haywire on April 14, 2020, 01:59:18 PM
Yeah, I hear ya :P
I forgot to mention that the AC emitter on high ground is also a nice bonus - even if people can't figure out what to do, they can just let it pump out for 15 minutes or so and then drown stuff.
It was fun to pump AC into one of the level 10 terrain chambers and do some experimenting.
And apparently the limit to how deep AC can get is 2,000. I don't think I knew that. So if you learn one new thing a day, that's good right?
i am working on on where the player should be at a major disadvantage early on, and fora while, but can win though "pooling" AC and using it as waves... seems like it can work but the play testing is a bit of a pain! :o
And AC or C flip to the other type when the density reaches 2147M of either i believe... V held that over from CW2 i think!
Ooooo... I like being at a major disadvantage. I often let Yum's CSM maps run for about 10 minutes before I do anything. Mainly because there's only one totem and it's a pain when terps are working so slowly.
Oh, and thanks also for having more than one totem. ;D
i will do my best to work it out sooner rather than later then! 8)
Quotei will do my best to work it out sooner rather than later then!
;D *Cheers from Johnny* ;D