This topic is for discussion of map #1166: Tinyland 3
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Author: J
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#Tinyland 3: Only 2 emitters, 2 CN's and 3 landing spots. Can you find the best strategy? #small #noCRPL #noSpores #Digitalis #Jmaps #Miniland
Getting a foothold on your tiny maps is always challenging!
You always give us a top of the line game.
Good stuff.
H
no i cant find the stratagy, i had to give up
PMouser -
Take a look at these F12 Screen Shots.
They may help.
H
Quote from: PMouser on September 20, 2014, 07:13:26 AM
no i cant find the stratagy, i had to give up
You have 3 possible landing combinations with 2 CN's (N/W, W/S and N/S). It might be the best to work out which of those 3 works best first (and which don't work at all).
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LZ North has a lot of free energy and ore, but is too close to the emitter to survive. West has a lot of free aether, which is pretty much useless at the start of the map. South has a sort of fort built around it with place for 16 units. Every landing zone has digi growth area on it or next to it. If you only had one CN I would say that the south LZ has the greatest chance of surviving, but you have 2 CN's.
this does not work, i still get flooded
PMouser,
What is the "this" that doesn't work for you?
Two of us offered you some thoughts.
If you provide more information, maybe we can provide more specific assistance.
H
Helper approached the map in a different way than I did, so at least there are multiple ways to finish the map (yay!)
my bottom orbitor still get flooded in the fortress like place, and i cant get enough energy
Quote from: PMouser on September 21, 2014, 07:38:16 AM
my bottom orbitor still get flooded in the fortress like place, and i cant get enough energy
Pmouser, in tricky start maps it's even more important to get the energy going as fast as you can.
i recommend playing the game paused and just hold the "n" key to advance the time, this stops time being wasted.
also only build one thing at a time to start with, and your energy shouldn't be more than 1 or 2 in the red during the first few minutes of game time.
if you are up high mortars are most efficient, but if you have digitalis (or creeper on the same level) then blasters are your best option
hope that helps a bit dude 8)
It might be helpful to post some screenshots of your game so we can give more specific advice. Also remember that when your CN leaves due health problems, you can send it back after 30 seconds to boost your energy with 1.5 for some more time. You need that boost.
Helper, any idea what to do next? I reached your second screenshot by 13:30 (though i could have done better, because from time to time i forgot about the 30 second timer on the CNs).
Note: Set the 2 mortars to digi only to get the 5 spots under the CN, then build the cannons and reset the mortars to target both.
Question: How do i get the guppy to lift-off with half-full cargo?
I managed to start taking the left landing zone with 2 PCs, (it helps to cut-off the digi, by temporarily setting digi-targeting cannons)
Edit: Nevermind, i finished it, thank you very much Helper, and btw nice score, flat 32 minutes.
Quote from: J on September 21, 2014, 06:40:39 AM
Helper approached the map in a different way than I did, so at least there are multiple ways to finish the map (yay!)
LOL!
Just looking at those top three scores...and I'm figuring those 'multiple ways' have increased. We have some real outside the box thinkers around here.
@DA - glad you got it. Good stuff!
H
Quote from: Helper on September 22, 2014, 06:08:32 AM
Quote from: J on September 21, 2014, 06:40:39 AM
Helper approached the map in a different way than I did, so at least there are multiple ways to finish the map (yay!)
LOL!
Just looking at those top three scores...and I'm figuring those 'multiple ways' have increased. We have some real outside the box thinkers around here.
I just tried the north and south landing zone again and shaved almost 4 minutes off my time. Nullified the emitter next to the north LZ before going for the other emitter. Still 5 minutes slower than the best time so my play style can still be improved a lot or there's a better strategy. At least I'm happy with a #5 spot in the scores =J
The secret to a really fast time is:
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1) Tap that energy pack and build a mortar and three cannons and immediately go after the SE emitter (use relays).
2) You should have just enough juice left in the pack to nullify the se emitter, build an ore mine, and build a reactor on the PZ. Speed is necessary.
3) Don't worry about losing CNs. You need one and have two and securing the pads is expensive. Lose them repeatedly and watch it rain.
Quote from: warren on September 23, 2014, 06:59:11 AM
The secret to a really fast time is:
Spoiler
1) Tap that energy pack and build a mortar and three cannons and immediately go after the SE emitter (use relays).
2) You should have just enough juice left in the pack to nullify the se emitter, build an ore mine, and build a reactor on the PZ. Speed is necessary.
3) Don't worry about losing CNs. You need one and have two and securing the pads is expensive. Lose them repeatedly and watch it rain.
Oh, that's interesting. I did it in almost the same time with a comlete different strategy:
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I built a Forge on left side as soon as possible, protected by a sprayer. Then killed top emitter first.
Quote from: ea3401 on September 23, 2014, 04:43:06 PM
Oh, that's interesting. I did it in almost the same time with a comlete different strategy:
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I built a Forge on left side as soon as possible, protected by a sprayer. Then killed top emitter first.
Never thought that the aether pack there would make a difference in fastest time strategy's :P
I think we can make a nice video compilation of different strategy's on this tiny map. It has a lot more potential than you would think when hearing the time I spent on creating the map, which is about one to two hours. Thanks for the positive comments! (yes, even those saying that there's another strategy make me positively surprised) (and keep them coming for more maps :P )
Quote from: warren on September 23, 2014, 06:59:11 AM
The secret to a really fast time is...
Quote from: ea3401 on September 23, 2014, 04:43:06 PM
Oh, that's interesting. I did it in almost the same time with a comlete different strategy...
Hmm. I went the third way:
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With energy pack build 2 ore mine, 5 reactor and one mortar for control SE creeper, then add 2 digitalis cannon on SW "fortress towers", then made little orbital bombing, build reactor, sprayer, cannons and destroy SE emitter.