So I'm a bit confused by the high-scores list currently up. Are all of them accurate? As in, is it possible to fake or cheat a high score?
Some of the times seem ludicrously fast. Really, like, not feasible. Case in point. Bonus world 8, fastest time 1:49.
It currently takes 20 seconds to get 40 packets of energy into a nullifier. 5 for it to blow. thats 25 seconds down.
To get power over to there in the map we have to build 3 beacons, that's 36 packets and another 20 seconds.
We'll need to get into the "ring" of the emitter which will take 1 blaster and a further 20 seconds. Total time 1 minute.
We'll also need all of the minable items, a total of 64 packets and ~ 20 seconds all told i think. total time is now up at 1:20.
If we assume 4 blasters are needed to kill off the remaining creeper we're at 1:40 now.
This is rough maths I'm doing here but the point stands, in that scenario I've assumed that I'm building units continously, I haven't built ANY reactors, or any phantom coils. I've not accounted for time taken to fly anywhere (significant under the time spans) or the time taken to actually kill creeper.
How is this time possible???
I understand that few people will want to reveal their secret if they have some excellent tactics regarding the game, but by my maths it physically takes longer than this just to built the bare minimum of necessary units.
Are all the scores posted "real" scores or is there a way to cheat the system??
Drahazar
There always are some ways to hack a game and we know that some posted scores are fake.
However, some of the players here are phenomenal and have posted stunning legit scores that us mortals find it hard to replicate.
Most of the times that are up are legit scores - not all, but most. The bonus 8 times are legitimate times (or at the very least possible times even if they aren't legit - because of that I'll assume they are legit) - there are some ridiculously fast ways to beat some maps - in this instance, it helps to fly the LS into the creeper to be able to nullify both the emitter and gateway pretty early on - creeper makers are also very good on this map.
EDIT: A lot of your math is off, because for instance, you do not need to build any beacons because the LS can move, and some of the tasks you listed can be multitasked.
I can post a fake score without hacking the game. I will not post it in this topic since everyone can read this.
I know that #1 - 1:49.5 is a legit time (it is mine)
I will rescind the assumption that the #1 score is a fake on bonus 8. Well played! But also I'm glad I got my answer at least SOME of the scores are faked.
Some people are just ungodly good at this game. Look at the impossible code maps thread, and see some of the screenshots Kithros has posted... then decide what is and is not possible.
I am not great at this game, but I've worked hard to be the second fastest player on Bonus Map 10.
I cannot conceive of how Emperium has got such a fast time, though.
There must be something I've not thought of.
>:(
Quote from: Pigster on January 26, 2012, 04:57:37 PM
I am not great at this game, but I've worked hard to be the second fastest player on Bonus Map 10.
I cannot conceive of how Emperium has got such a fast time, though.
There must be something I've not thought of.
>:(
Emperium is a known hacker pretty much - he has an impossibly low time on day 2 (and probably posted a hacked time of day 2 under my name also - someone certainly did since that isn't my time, my actual time is 51.7 seconds), bonus mission 8 among some other maps. Don't take any of Emperium's times seriously.
If anyone is curious about the math, I can actually prove that day 2 is 100% definitely impossible to beat in 25 seconds - a reactor takes more than 30 seconds to build, so building more reactors can't help. In the absolute best case scenario you would need at least 26 packets for a blaster (25 + 1 ammo packet) - completely unreasonable to clear all the creeper with only 1 ammo packet, but nonetheless - 6 packets for digging, and 50 for a nullifier which totals to 82 packets. You start with 20 energy, and can generate 2.5 energy per second at the beginning, which totals to only 78 packets in 23 seconds (takes 2 seconds for the game to end even after all creeper is cleared. There are many other issues that would make the time take much longer than this such as packet travel time, the fact that 2 blasters are necessary for an optimal time, building times etc. and needing much more than just 1 ammo packet - suffice to say that this time is 100% definitely impossible.
Quote from: Kithros on January 26, 2012, 07:27:50 PM
Quote from: Pigster on January 26, 2012, 04:57:37 PM
I am not great at this game, but I've worked hard to be the second fastest player on Bonus Map 10.
I cannot conceive of how Emperium has got such a fast time, though.
There must be something I've not thought of.
>:(
Emperium is a known hacker pretty much - he has an impossibly low time on day 2 (and probably posted a hacked time of day 2 under my name also - someone certainly did since that isn't my time, my actual time is 51.7 seconds), bonus mission 8 among some other maps. Don't take any of Emperium's times seriously.
It's true.
In fact, is very easy to hack this game ... the easier game i ever hacked. And isnt just me, there other times that are impossible.
The only maps that i could not hack was day 1 and day 20...
Quote from: Emperium on January 26, 2012, 09:04:49 PM
Quote from: Kithros on January 26, 2012, 07:27:50 PM
Quote from: Pigster on January 26, 2012, 04:57:37 PM
I am not great at this game, but I've worked hard to be the second fastest player on Bonus Map 10.
I cannot conceive of how Emperium has got such a fast time, though.
There must be something I've not thought of.
>:(
Emperium is a known hacker pretty much - he has an impossibly low time on day 2 (and probably posted a hacked time of day 2 under my name also - someone certainly did since that isn't my time, my actual time is 51.7 seconds), bonus mission 8 among some other maps. Don't take any of Emperium's times seriously.
It's true.
In fact, is very easy to hack this game ... the easier game i ever hacked. And isnt just me, there other times that are impossible.
The only maps that i could not hack was day 1 and day 20...
and that is because they are hard-coded, probably.
Quote from: Emperium on January 26, 2012, 09:04:49 PM
Quote from: Kithros on January 26, 2012, 07:27:50 PM
Quote from: Pigster on January 26, 2012, 04:57:37 PM
I am not great at this game, but I've worked hard to be the second fastest player on Bonus Map 10.
I cannot conceive of how Emperium has got such a fast time, though.
There must be something I've not thought of.
>:(
Emperium is a known hacker pretty much - he has an impossibly low time on day 2 (and probably posted a hacked time of day 2 under my name also - someone certainly did since that isn't my time, my actual time is 51.7 seconds), bonus mission 8 among some other maps. Don't take any of Emperium's times seriously.
It's true.
In fact, is very easy to hack this game ... the easier game i ever hacked. And isnt just me, there other times that are impossible.
The only maps that i could not hack was day 1 and day 20...
There are probably more times that aren't hacked than you think - while I'm sure that some of them are, the majority of times are in fact possible times even if they aren't legitimate (all of my times except the one you posted under my name on day 2 are legitimate times - and most of them have a lot of room for improvement).
Quote from: Kithros on January 27, 2012, 09:09:17 AM
There are probably more times that aren't hacked than you think - while I'm sure that some of them are, the majority of times are in fact possible times even if they aren't legitimate (all of my times except the one you posted under my name on day 2 are legitimate times - and most of them have a lot of room for improvement).
That is, of course, theoretical improvement. It could mostly be attained only if you or somebody more even proficient than you (I don't know anyone) cared to take the time to play the map closer to frame-by-boring-frame perfection.
Quote from: Kithros on January 27, 2012, 09:09:17 AM
There are probably more times that aren't hacked than you think - while I'm sure that some of them are, the majority of times are in fact possible times even if they aren't legitimate (all of my times except the one you posted under my name on day 2 are legitimate times - and most of them have a lot of room for improvement).
Except me, I only know one person who posted a fake score. This person is the one who posted in Day 2 with the name Hmmm. Probaly, he dont play anymore...
Also, "J" said that know how to post an edit time. Actually, i dont know how to do it. In my case, i know how to hack the velocity and rate of fire of the blaster. That why my times arent super impossible and i cant improve my times in day 1 and day 20. In next update Virgil, change the protection of the blaster.
Since im telling you this, you can ask Virgil to remove my times from the highscores. And you dont have to be concerned since i will stop to play this game soon. I will only wait to play Ebon's triology maps.
Quote from: Lord_Farin on January 27, 2012, 10:35:58 AM
Quote from: Kithros on January 27, 2012, 09:09:17 AM
There are probably more times that aren't hacked than you think - while I'm sure that some of them are, the majority of times are in fact possible times even if they aren't legitimate (all of my times except the one you posted under my name on day 2 are legitimate times - and most of them have a lot of room for improvement).
That is, of course, theoretical improvement. It could mostly be attained only if you or somebody more even proficient than you (I don't know anyone) cared to take the time to play the map closer to frame-by-boring-frame perfection.
Well, yes, of course, when I mean possible I really mean things that physically can be done, not necessarily things that people will realistically do - that said, most of my times don't have overly meticulous timing except for day 1, 2 (the 51.7 second time), 18 and 19, getting a much better time on those maps would be extremely difficult (without hacking).
On the note of day 19 I may have unintentionally used a bug involving bunkers when I put up that score - as for how much it influenced the score I have no clue, but it is slightly illegitimate albeit unintentionally - I don't think it should have too much of an effect on what my time should have been, but still.
Quote from: Kithros on January 27, 2012, 10:47:42 AM
On the note of day 19 I may have unintentionally used a bug involving bunkers when I put up that score - as for how much it influenced the score I have no clue, but it is slightly illegitimate albeit unintentionally - I don't think it should have too much of an effect on what my time should have been, but still.
:o Even Kithros has has his rotten. You just came down from the position of god.
Quote from: Emperium on January 27, 2012, 11:00:44 AM
Quote from: Kithros on January 27, 2012, 10:47:42 AM
On the note of day 19 I may have unintentionally used a bug involving bunkers when I put up that score - as for how much it influenced the score I have no clue, but it is slightly illegitimate albeit unintentionally - I don't think it should have too much of an effect on what my time should have been, but still.
:o Even Kithros has has his rotten. You just came down from the position of god.
It was pretty much an inevitable bug in earlier versions -if you saved and loaded the bunkers would fire again immediately, but the bunkers on the left couldn't fire missiles at the dense creeper so it has virtually no effect on that side, though it would somewhat reduce the creeper densities on the right bunkers since I saved/loaded a lot resulting in the bunkers firing very often - but I didn't attack that side until I already had rescued the bunkers on the left side so I already had a ridiculous amount of energy, and probably shouldn't have influenced my score too much.
For that matter everyone who has ever loaded a game on day 19 has probably very slightly used this bug as well (except in fairly new versions of the game).
Quote from: Emperium on January 27, 2012, 10:43:34 AM
Also, "J" said that know how to post an edit time. Actually, i dont know how to do it. In my case, i know how to hack the velocity and rate of fire of the blaster.
Yes I do and I posted it on the forums once (post has been removed). I don't have to edit blaster fire rate because I can edit another part of the game what will make blasters useless. You can edit and hack anything you want in the game. If you don't post a score or leave before you win, no problem. Everytime I find a new hack I PM Virgil about it or post it on the beta board. Be careful about what you post on the public forums.
Quote from: J on January 27, 2012, 03:08:27 PM
Everytime I find a new hack I PM Virgil about it or post it on the beta board. Be careful about what you post on the public forums.
Of course i will not tell how i changed it to anyone ;). I dit it just to see your reactions. Kithros reaction was the best :P.
Anyway, im sorry about that. As you can see i didnt posted any score after i confessed here.
Why my highscores have not been removed yet?
Quote from: Emperium on January 28, 2012, 09:37:13 PM
Quote from: J on January 27, 2012, 03:08:27 PM
Everytime I find a new hack I PM Virgil about it or post it on the beta board. Be careful about what you post on the public forums.
Of course i will not tell how i changed it to anyone ;). I dit it just to see your reactions. Kithros reaction was the best :P.
Anyway, im sorry about that. As you can see i didnt posted any score after i confessed here.
Why my highscores have not been removed yet?
I doubt it is very easy to remove scores as virgil probably didn't plan on having to do so.
Not only that, but he is incredibly busy.
Quote from: 2b3o4o on January 29, 2012, 09:37:57 AM
Quote from: Emperium on January 28, 2012, 09:37:13 PM
Quote from: J on January 27, 2012, 03:08:27 PM
Everytime I find a new hack I PM Virgil about it or post it on the beta board. Be careful about what you post on the public forums.
Of course i will not tell how i changed it to anyone ;). I dit it just to see your reactions. Kithros reaction was the best :P.
Anyway, im sorry about that. As you can see i didnt posted any score after i confessed here.
Why my highscores have not been removed yet?
I doubt it is very easy to remove scores as virgil probably didn't plan on having to do so.
I'm pretty sure they can be removed, its the time, virgil is VERY busy at the moment... ;)
My first reaction to a seemingly impossible score is that there is some tactic that I have not yet thought of. If it is an interesting map then i will try again. Sometimes I actually come up with it, and get a really fast score. Eventually I give up trying and assume either the high scorer is brilliant or cheating, but probably more often brilliant.
(e)
Quote from: (e) on January 29, 2012, 04:14:22 PM
My first reaction to a seemingly impossible score is that there is some tactic that I have not yet thought of. If it is an interesting map then i will try again. Sometimes I actually come up with it, and get a really fast score. Eventually I give up trying and assume either the high scorer is brilliant or cheating, but probably more often brilliant.
(e)
Me to, and I think this is the right way to go about it, complaining wont change anything since at the moment virgil is quite busy.
In any map that tries to make the user think, and use a certain strategy, you have the inevitable problem of being 1 designer trying to think about every possible strategy and account for it or prevent it, while there are 100+ people trying to find that little detail that you didn't consider.
I believe my own map "Trapped" in which Kithros manages to completely beat my "safeguards" is a good example of such a case.
Ah, did you see the new scores in the mission days? Agent P. did day 15 in less than 3 minutes... definely impossible. It seems that we have another hacker in action. And it seems that his hack is similar to what i did since he dont have a good time in day 1 and 20.
"empty" on mission academy 1 has 2 seconds. ::) I think that is an obvious one.
I fail to see why people bother posting hacked scores. They gain so little themselves and ruin the experience for so many others.
Its like a theft we had once in our school. 30.000 worth of damages to the doors, and they got off with <1000 from the basket for coffee money....
Hum, i cant post scores anymore. Virgil do have a way to block it.
He probobly set the system up to no longer accept scores with your username. he can manually add that in
Quote from: lich98 on February 21, 2012, 03:20:46 PM
He probobly set the system up to no longer accept scores with your username. he can manually add that in
No, it is not it, i tried with the nick test but it didnt went.
Then i have no idea sorry
Why are you saying sorry? He was blocked for hacking and you're trying to help him get around it.
nope trying to figure out how, cant do that.
Quote from: CobraKill on February 21, 2012, 08:28:31 PM
Why are you saying sorry? He was blocked for hacking and you're trying to help him get around it.
:P In my notebook it works but in my pc no... I only found it interesting. Maybe he blocked my local ip or he blocked some kind of serial of the game.
It's not that... It's we want you to stop hacking or atleast posting scores.
I dont care if he post unhacked scores he said if its under 2 min. its hacked so ya.
w00t
Sorry for a bit of bragging, but I've done Abyss under three minutes. Something I'm rather proud of.
I just started noticing all these high scores that were cheated and it kinda killed it for me.
Thankfully I only really compare my high scores with a couple other people I wont mention.
We should devise a secret handshake for trusted forum members. Those can then put a group id in the score submission and people that want to need only compare their scores with those in the group....
Yes but people could find out the group code :P
Only if it is widely circulated. One such possible code has already been mentioned in a more restricted forum on this site. A more general code can be circulated via PM between long-time, trusted forum members.
A stranger showing up on that list would then also be more noticeable.
can i make a tutorial... How to hack CW2!?!?
I'm BACKKKKKK!?? no
Quote from: Emperium on May 11, 2012, 08:26:47 PM
can i make a tutorial... How to hack CW2!?!?
NOT in the public boards. You can PM (personal message) VirgilW and some beta members and/or moderators but never post it in any public topic.
Quote from: Emperium on May 11, 2012, 08:26:47 PM
can i make a tutorial... How to hack CW2!?!?
I'm BACKKKKKK!?? no
Hi, if you are willing to provide the hacking information to Virgil so that he can make either CW2 or CW3 more hack-proof, I'm sure he will appreciate it and perhaps offer you a more expanded opportunity to test the integrity of CW3. Making tha tinformation available on this board (or any board that you have access to) or to any member of this community, except in a PM to VirgilW (http://knucklecracker.com/forums/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=1) will probably result in you being permanently banned.
not a fan of hacked scores, but when i seen some of the scores on the board, it made me go back and play the lvls over and over again (epesially day2, i think my highest time is 58s on that one) while it killed the meaning of a high score, the second look i took at the maps made me a stronger player, something i do appreciate.
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