I'm suddenly seeing a whole lot of maps that are "modifications" of a previous map by a different author.
It has made me wonder what the community thinks about this:
Do you like to play a map that has been modified to a different set of parameters from the original?
As a map author, do you like to see your map modified to be more "playable?"
Edit to add some examples:
(http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld/thumb.php?id=3199) (http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld/mapcomments.php?id=3199&page=) is a copy of (http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld/thumb.php?id=2959) (http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld/mapcomments.php?id=2959&page=)
There is a copy of this map in the queue:
(http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld/thumb.php?id=3211)
(http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld/thumb.php?id=3193) (http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld/mapcomments.php?id=3193&page=) is a copy of this map (http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld/thumb.php?id=3182) (http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld/mapcomments.php?id=3182&page=)
(http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld/thumb.php?id=3170) (http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld/mapcomments.php?id=3170&page=) is a copy of this map (http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld/thumb.php?id=2270) (http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld/mapcomments.php?id=2270&page=)
As it's an update to change an easy solution to the map (like a movable city and one totem), or some bridging tricks the author didn't forsaw I don't care.
But just modifying a map to maje it easier or harder by changing the emitters a little or placing some small terrain changes I think it's useless to upload that modification, as I won't play a map two times just because the difficulty changes, cause
a) I'm not good enough to beat a map and I have to accept it.
b) I'm too good for a map and if I want it to be harder I can just put on double down.
EDIT: And copying (or almost copying) a map should only be allowed with explicit permission of the author.
Quote from: Karsten75 on September 23, 2010, 01:41:30 PM
Do you like to play a map that has been modified to a different set of parameters from the original?
No. I prefer playing the original as intended by the original author.
Quote from: Karsten75 on September 23, 2010, 01:41:30 PM
As a map author, do you like to see your map modified to be more "playable?"
Certainly not and I don't give permission for that (just letting me know isn't good enough). Please let me know when one of my maps has been used without permission. I think copied maps shouldn't be accepted without explicit permission.
I have only made a few maps but I would not like someone to copy them to make them easier(there not that hard anyway :P ) As a mapmaker I would not resubmit a map after "tweaking" something here or there. Its a waste of my time, the map approvers time and the players time.
The only time a "tweaked map" should be resubmitted is if there is a mistake made by the author that completely makes the maps difficulty compromised. (This map comes to mind. (http://knucklecracker.com/forums/index.php?topic=4681.0))
I have to agree with KEES and that a copied map shoudnt be accepted without the original authors permission.
I take way too much pride in my own work to ever copy someone else's. So what if I only ever came up with two ideas that worked out. They were both my own, and my maps do not resemble any by another author.
I don't care, but I will never copy a map tho..
And if a map is copied it should at least be a better version, and give credit to the orginal author with link to the orginal map :)
Quote from: MadMag on September 23, 2010, 06:36:42 PM
if a map is copied it should at least be a better version
But what is 'better'? That's an endless discussion, as the copy cat will always say his/her map is better than the original.
I think that if people like a certain idea it's fine to get inspired, but they should create a new map by themselves using this same principle. When I believe one of my maps needs 'improvements' I can handle this myself very well.
Etna is a harder version and a easier version done by the same people, thus, is perfectly fine.
You are right UpperKEES, what is better ???
I think that you can copy an map and do enought changes to it , it should'nt be to much of an problem .
BUT DO GIVE CREDIT AND POST AN LINK TO THE MAP YOU COPY'D !
Asking if it's okey first does'nt hurt either , but if it's done by PM it would be hard for the map approvers to know it .
That can be solved with a rule in the submit map page. Don't submit a "copy map" without orginal author approval.
Rule broken = banned from forum/banned from submiting maps + sued
haha.. worse than IFPI, RIAA, BSA and MPAA :p
He he i'm glad i got approval from you to copy your map =P
Only map i copyed by intention i think ,
but i have given credit for map that have inspierd me to make maps .
Atleast i have tryed to do so =)
You where kindly enough to give me credit on the map: Old Castle, that Joao Carlos copied also :)
I just had to post an link to your map , just posting credit in the desc is'nt enought if you ask me =P
( might be easy to forget to do so , but it should be done by someone =P )
Quote from: Karsten75 on September 23, 2010, 01:41:30 PM
Do you like to play a map that has been modified to a different set of parameters from the original?
I don't really like to play a lot of copies of maps
Quote from: Karsten75 on September 23, 2010, 01:41:30 PM
As a map author, do you like to see your map modified to be more "playable?"
I give my permission to anybody to modify\copy my maps as long as I get credit for the inspiration.
Also, I give permission for anybody to use cheats\bugs to submit scores on my maps
I think this should be controlled very carefully. It is one thing to be "inspired" by a map, another to take the map, tweak it a little, and resubmit it. I do not like it. Every map should be an origonal, with no copies or repeats. It should be entirely the map makers decision on how the map is played. If you do not like it, you can make your own with the same type of gameplay, but made completely by yourself, so it is unique.
Of course, if you get the map makers permission to copy it, I do not see why you can't.
Here's my two cents: I think that a copied map with different parameters only shows a lack of creativity. I think that most of the creativity of level making is designing the terrain. It would kinda irk me if someone copied one of my maps, whether they got permission or not.
I don't see the fun in copying a map..
i make a very small amount of maps, but i made them as i wanted and don't want any other versions of it. exept for squeeze defence... still regret that map.
@ontheworld
That's a small amount of maps?!
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I don't mind sombody copying my maps but they should deffinitly ask permission first. Not that I would give that out easily...
you have more right? ;)
Also take note that 6 of them kinda went in groups of 3
Compared to my amount of maps , about 10 maps is an small amount =P
But every map made , might give inspiration to make others make maps .
So every map might be very important .
Totally agree with you spiffen
What if the author of the original map no longer has an account? I made a modification of the old map, "Expert Round" and make some changes like taking out the whole collector bridge option... and it's harder, of course. XD I thanked him in the description, and in the opening text, would you consider that ok?
http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld/mapcomments.php?id=211&page= and http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld/mapcomments.php?id=4075&page= it's a pretty big differnce... but I still felt kinda bad about not getting the permission from the original author.
Just give credit and make an link to the map ,
then it should be okey if you have made alot of changes .
Thats what i think , an solution for any problems can be solved later if needed ;)
I remember modding one of carbar's maps (never came out that well, so I didn't post it)
alright, it's really not that similar to the old map... but the old map is what I started from.