This topic is for discussion of map #9965: Small Viewing Room
(https://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld3/queryMaps.php?query=thumbnailid&id=9965)
Author: Matteo
Size: 50x50
Desc:
Small place, small challenge. There is small struggle at the beggining. Note:STOP CHEATING IN LEVELS CHEATERS. YOU MUST BE HACKERS!!!
Unfortunately, going off on cheaters will do very little to deter them - if anything it might encourage them even more because they know they're getting attention. Also, for what it's worth, I'm not entirely sure any of the top times on your recent maps were posted by cheaters. A few of them were held by d0m0nik, who is a forum regular and certainly not a cheater. I'm not sure who "reko" is (the person with the top time on your map before this one) but Martin Gronsdal isn't too far behind reko and I'm quite confident MG isn't cheating as well. If you're curious about the strategies they used, most of the folks here are happy to elaborate if you ask in the forum thread for whichever map you're wondering about. While there are certainly some cheaters out there, you might be surprised what some legitimate players can pull off with the tools the game gives us ;)
Thanks for making the maps, and don't let suspicion of cheaters get you too down!
Quote from: cornucanis on April 06, 2022, 03:39:29 PM
Unfortunately, going off on cheaters will do very little to deter them - if anything it might encourage them even more because they know they're getting attention. Also, for what it's worth, I'm not entirely sure any of the top times on your recent maps were posted by cheaters. A few of them were held by d0m0nik, who is a forum regular and certainly not a cheater. I'm not sure who "reko" is (the person with the top time on your map before this one) but Martin Gronsdal isn't too far behind reko and I'm quite confident MG isn't cheating as well. If you're curious about the strategies they used, most of the folks here are happy to elaborate if you ask in the forum thread for whichever map you're wondering about. While there are certainly some cheaters out there, you might be surprised what some legitimate players can pull off with the tools the game gives us ;)
Thanks for making the maps, and don't let suspicion of cheaters get you too down!
well put dude!
good to see you about still... i love those CSM maps! 8)
Quote from: cornucanis on April 06, 2022, 03:39:29 PM
Unfortunately, going off on cheaters will do very little to deter them - if anything it might encourage them even more because they know they're getting attention. Also, for what it's worth, I'm not entirely sure any of the top times on your recent maps were posted by cheaters. A few of them were held by d0m0nik, who is a forum regular and certainly not a cheater. I'm not sure who "reko" is (the person with the top time on your map before this one) but Martin Gronsdal isn't too far behind reko and I'm quite confident MG isn't cheating as well. If you're curious about the strategies they used, most of the folks here are happy to elaborate if you ask in the forum thread for whichever map you're wondering about. While there are certainly some cheaters out there, you might be surprised what some legitimate players can pull off with the tools the game gives us ;)
Thanks for making the maps, and don't let suspicion of cheaters get you too down!
Reko has posted times that seem to me to be utterly impossible. Other than that I see no suspicion of cheating. The author's time on this map is 23 minutes, I can't imagine a strategy that would take that long. My just under 6 is from dropping the spare CNs, putting 3 collectors and one gun on each side, marching up the center, blow the emitter, use it's PZ to blow 4 others, then put a gun on the two closest PZs and nullifiers as soon as the space is clear enough. Since I had extra energy for much of the time I'm sure that wasn't optimal.
Was the cheating comment in regards of map #9964?
The abundance of AoO and CNs should make cheating accusations unnecessary.
I think the mapmaker is simply not aware of different ways to approach maps.
@Matteo,
I've thanked you for your maps before and will do so again here.
Over the past 15 years or so, I've seen a lot of times that times that must have been cheating - until someone posted a video or screen shot of how the 'cheat' was done.
You're making some good, fun maps, so keep up the good work and reach out to some of the old timer map makers for help. They are among the best players here, and some really nice folks.
Thanks,
H
PS - below is a screen grab of my first shot at 9964.
Well, if I am flattered if I am being accused of cheating!
I don't see any problem with Rekos times, all doable.
The map maker took 35 mins to complete the database level though so I can see how the fast times may seem impossible.