This topic is for discussion of map #6843: JUBILEE CSM-70
(http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld3/queryMaps.php?query=thumbnailid&id=6843)
Author: yum234
Size: 144x144
Desc:
Cornucanis Style Map. No Stargate Connectors and SuperSemiconductors. Only one Stargate Blocker. Many Conversion Bomb Factories but radius of CB attack very small. Hint: CBF remains activated even under overflow of creeper. Control of Monitor by "Ctrl+Shift+H" #BravoCornucanis #ThanksToKajacx #BravoVirgil #GoodLuck
Great map. Waiting for new one.
Thanks again Yum, another great map as usual!
Very hard start.
The only way I found was to
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build a bunch of terraformer, send the CN in orbit, flat its zone at level 2. Land it again, charge the terraformers, send in orbit, flat the zone to 1.
Did I missed something ?
@bgzzz here is a hint:
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where the AC meets the creeper, it continuously drains the AC levels
you need to
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somehow block that joining point, so the AC can build up and flip the yellow emitters
by doing this:
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wait until the AC gets just past an emitter, then terraform to level 2 to stop the creeper eroding the AC.
Quote from: Weasee on December 10, 2018, 05:10:19 AM
@bgzzz here is a hint:
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where the AC meets the creeper, it continuously drains the AC levels
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somehow block that joining point, so the AC can build up and flip the yellow emitters
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wait until the AC gets just past an emitter, then terraform to level 2 to stop the creeper eroding the AC.
Yes! :)
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In this map not needed to move CN or terraform terrain under it.
Main tactic - how to build and remove walls to control optimal AC flow.
To illustrate :
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(http://knucklecracker.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=30874.0;attach=26804;image)
At this moment, neither N°1 path nor N°2 path (with the SB in SG yellow can progress).
If I terraform under the CN to level 1, the emitters at west are captured.
How to progress without the terraform ?
You used not optimal tactic.
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Most strong creeper comes from red gates near your blocked yellow gate. At the beginning of game if you put blocker to this red gate you will be able to obtain 4 Multiplication Towers (total multiplicator will be 5) and when your emitters will be power=60 you can start to attack area above Blocker Home and through yellow gates.
Please try again and Good luck! :)
P.S. If it will be not helpful I will create and attach screenshots.
Quote from: yum-forum on December 10, 2018, 06:40:25 AM
You used not optimal tactic.
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Most strong creeper comes from red gates near your blocked yellow gate. At the beginning of game if you put blocker to this red gate you will be able to obtain 4 Multiplication Towers (total multiplicator will be 5) and when your emitters will be power=60 you can start to attack area above Blocker Home and through yellow gates.
Please try again and Good luck! :)
P.S. If it will be not helpful I will create and attach screenshots.
ah! I got it :)
thx for advise. And thx for your awesome maps. Just waiting for a christmass tree CSM map :)
That was a fun one!
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blocking the red gate really helped, as did grabbing all the bomb factories ASAP. Cut my time in half from my first run![/spoiler
I would love to know how 10 mins is possible. Not suggesting a cheat but scatching my head.
Generally it is possible if you at first attack most powerful emitters with 5 min. start delay.
Quote from: yum-forum on December 11, 2018, 01:24:02 PM
Generally it is possible if you at first attack most powerful emitters with 5 min. start delay.
Is it possible to be any more specific? ::)
I can't even take control of the yellow stargates (which seems necessary to reach the strongest, 450 power, emitters) within 5 minutes...
Well, this was definitely an interesting map!
I'm guessing this isn't the first one like it (?) - I dunno, I just saw this was a new map & highly rated and figured I'd try it. So, apparently bombs are pretty cool. I discovered them about 2h into the game and it was really neat.
The plugs and drains and the drain plug were all new concepts to me and I just plugged what looked like an important spot and left it there for the rest of the game. There's probably a better way to do that.
All in all, it's possible to completely blunder your way through the map and learn how it works as you go. The forge has a singularity weapon capability, but I'd recommend being careful how you use it.
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If you DO use it, I'd strongly suggest you "walk" the singularity away towards a corner. Otherwise when it pops it might send a tsunami your way. ;)
Sometimes the creep would come up over the land I had terped to 2. It didn't come up over land terped to 9 though, so that became my new standard.
This is a very very cool map and I love the concept, Yum! I'll look for some other maps like this and try them out.
Great work - thanks for the map! ;D ;D ;D
Thanks for comments! You are welcome! :)
P.S. You also easy can create your own CMS map using template attacheted here:
http://knucklecracker.com/forums/index.php?topic=30882.0
Quote from: bgzzz on December 10, 2018, 06:56:09 AM
Quote from: yum-forum on December 10, 2018, 06:40:25 AM
You used not optimal tactic.
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Most strong creeper comes from red gates near your blocked yellow gate. At the beginning of game if you put blocker to this red gate you will be able to obtain 4 Multiplication Towers (total multiplicator will be 5) and when your emitters will be power=60 you can start to attack area above Blocker Home and through yellow gates.
Please try again and Good luck! :)
P.S. If it will be not helpful I will create and attach screenshots.
ah! I got it :)
thx for advise. And thx for your awesome maps. Just waiting for a christmass tree CSM map :)
Nice suggestion! I will create "christmass tree CSM map" on your demand! :D
Quote from: Johnny Haywire on December 12, 2018, 02:28:42 AM
Well, this was definitely an interesting map!
I'm guessing this isn't the first one like it (?) - I dunno, I just saw this was a new map & highly rated and figured I'd try it.
If you sort the maps by top rated, you'll see yum has now taken over the map listing :o
The very first map using this game mode was my map CWDig Introduction (http://knucklecracker.com/forums/index.php?topic=27739.0). I made a few more maps with the game mode, up to my (currently) final map in the series CWDig Kamikaze (http://knucklecracker.com/forums/index.php?topic=28319.msg170187). If you end up checking out my maps, you'll notice they're pretty different from yum's take on the game mode and weren't rated nearly as well as yum's maps.
A few months after I stopped making maps, yum asked me to create a template map for the game mode because he was interested in making maps using the game mode. After that, his maps pretty much exploded to the top of the ratings and he proposed ideas for several new scripts to me, including the now iconic stargates. My old CWDig maps don't even seem like the same game mode any more compared to the new creation put together by yum, myself, and kajacx ;D
Quote from: Johnny Haywire on December 12, 2018, 02:28:42 AM
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Sometimes the creep would come up over the land I had terped to 2. It didn't come up over land terped to 9 though, so that became my new standard.
These maps have each height correspond to 50 creeper, so that 50+ creeper on a level 1 terrain will invade a level 2 terrain. 100+ creeper will cross into level 3 terrain, and so on. Level 9 terrain will hold off 400 creeper (on a level 1 terrain - note, what matters is the difference between the terrain levels). Level 10 terrain (which you can't terp to, the game starts with some of those) holds any amount of creeper
Fresh video from Dr Gorgee:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v9dQ3h6KhU
Fresh video from Master FATMAN:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWy9OIVas7Q