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Title: Custom Map: Advanced Training Simulator - Piece o cake
Post by: AutoPost on May 02, 2010, 10:54:14 AM
This topic is for discussion of map: Advanced Training Simulator - Piece o cake (http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld/mapcomments.php?id=1763)
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Author: Azar (http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld/viewmaps.php?author=Azar)

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Step into the Advanced Training Simulator and test your skills.

Your next training simulation is ready, but the simulator seems to cope with some problems and loads a beta version of itself and some lousy old map.

Should be easy, right?
Title: Re: Custom Map: Advanced Training Simulator - Piece o cake
Post by: Germanboy on May 02, 2010, 11:40:43 AM
how you can win it  ???
tryed it now 3 times cant win it  :(
Title: Re: Custom Map: Advanced Training Simulator - Piece o cake
Post by: UpperKEES on May 02, 2010, 11:50:51 AM
Some totems are located where you wouldn't expect them. This map has been approved to see what people think about that.
Title: Re: Custom Map: Advanced Training Simulator - Piece o cake
Post by: Azar on May 02, 2010, 11:51:54 AM
Or can you not handle the creeper?
Title: Re: Custom Map: Advanced Training Simulator - Piece o cake
Post by: UpperKEES on May 02, 2010, 01:31:31 PM
The fearless EDP-auditor quickly prevented any system errors and charged the totems, thus avoiding the flaws abused by the evil map maker. ;)

Piece-o-case! :P
Title: Re: Custom Map: Advanced Training Simulator - Piece o cake
Post by: Azar on May 02, 2010, 02:54:04 PM
Hahahahaha!
Title: Re: Custom Map: Advanced Training Simulator - Piece o cake
Post by: Alwego on May 02, 2010, 02:57:02 PM
Nice idea:)
Title: Re: Custom Map: Advanced Training Simulator - Piece o cake
Post by: Karsten75 on May 02, 2010, 03:34:45 PM
Quote from: Germanboy on May 02, 2010, 11:40:43 AM
how you can win it  ???
tryed it now 3 times cant win it  :(

When I teach a chess class and someone asks me "is this a mate?" then I explain that there are 3 conditions for a checkmate:
1. You cannot capture the piece that is giving check.
2. You cannot move the king to a safe spot.
3. You cannot put a piece in between the king and the piece giving check.

If those conditions are true, then it is always a checkmate.

For CW, to complete a map, there are also conditions.

Do you know them?  If your map complies with all those conditions, then the map must complete. If it does not, then you are not complying with those conditions.  QEF (http://mathworld.wolfram.com/QEF.html).
Title: Re: Custom Map: Advanced Training Simulator - Piece o cake
Post by: UpperKEES on May 02, 2010, 03:55:30 PM
Only in this case the King is located at field K9, which would mean you've already won when playing chess. ;)

Edit:

Quote from: Alwego on May 02, 2010, 02:57:02 PM
Nice idea:)

Maybe nice to solve one time, but I wouldn't like it if I have to study each map for these kind of things in the map editor every time. Especially when I've already played it once to find out I needed a completely different approach (which wasn't an issue for this map by the way).
Title: Re: Custom Map: Advanced Training Simulator - Piece o cake
Post by: Karsten75 on May 02, 2010, 06:43:34 PM
So maybe a bad analogy, but I meant it in terms of preconditions necessary. For Odin City to depart, a set of preconditions must be met. If one of those have not been met, then Odin City cannot depart. If you connect all the totems before picking up all the artifacts and techs, you get a message. If you pick up all the techs and artifacts, connect the totems and Odin City does not depart, then....

BTW, it was just pure luck that I played this map to the point where this became apparent, since I almost let it go with less scrutiny since it had a score recorded.

I bet we'll see a spate of maps with this quirk. I might even make one myself. :)
Title: Re: Custom Map: Advanced Training Simulator - Piece o cake
Post by: Azar on May 02, 2010, 06:56:39 PM
I just tried to position Odin City outside the map. I have yet to succeed :P
Title: Re: Custom Map: Advanced Training Simulator - Piece o cake
Post by: UpperKEES on May 02, 2010, 07:06:12 PM
Quote from: Karsten75 on May 02, 2010, 06:43:34 PM
I bet we'll see a spate of maps with this quirk. I might even make one myself. :)

I hope we won't. And if so, I hope this will be indicated in the remarks field. When I play a game, I like to know the rules, so I can play accordingly. For me the map ends at field 69,47 (zero based). I'm actually surprised the data structure (probably a 3-dimensional array) extends beyond this point.
Title: Re: Custom Map: Advanced Training Simulator - Piece o cake
Post by: cquante on May 02, 2010, 07:12:36 PM
I have to hand it to you, it's an interesting use of a map editor fluke.  On the other hand it would be a bit annoying to have to search each map for things like this.
Title: Re: Custom Map: Advanced Training Simulator - Piece o cake
Post by: Azar on May 02, 2010, 07:27:24 PM
As long as other people dont figure out how to do it you will be safe. Has anyone found how to do it?
Title: Re: Custom Map: Advanced Training Simulator - Piece o cake
Post by: Karsten75 on May 02, 2010, 07:38:51 PM
At least 6 people know. ;)
Title: Re: Custom Map: Advanced Training Simulator - Piece o cake
Post by: UpperKEES on May 02, 2010, 07:42:02 PM
Yep, I did. (And no, I'm not gonna tell here. :P)

And can you imagine what will happen if someone places a mandatory item even out of reach of a collector (which is possible)? Nobody would be able to find out why the map won't finish and the map reviewers would be forced to play every map till the end. For me this would mean I would quit instantly.

Edit: I think this is a nice moment to make the submittal of scores before approval by map makers mandatory.
Title: Re: Custom Map: Advanced Training Simulator - Piece o cake
Post by: Azar on May 02, 2010, 09:17:00 PM
hmm I think it is impossible to place odin city outside the map with the editor. But I could always just change the coordinates in the file ;)
Title: Re: Custom Map: Advanced Training Simulator - Piece o cake
Post by: Alwego on May 03, 2010, 05:24:25 AM
Quote from: Azar on May 02, 2010, 07:27:24 PM
As long as other people dont figure out how to do it you will be safe. Has anyone found how to do it?

I know. Interesting things you can do with emitters :D (~invisible emiters in the middle of the map)

UpperKEES - you're right. I would not find it on the normal map. But this is someting new for us. It is hard now for some interesting map.
Title: Re: Custom Map: Advanced Training Simulator - Piece o cake
Post by: thepenguin on August 20, 2010, 12:51:04 PM
I love it!

P.S. I know how
Title: Re: Custom Map: Advanced Training Simulator - Piece o cake
Post by: UpperKEES on August 20, 2010, 01:13:03 PM
We all do (http://knucklecracker.com/forums/index.php?topic=4027.0).
Title: Re: Custom Map: Advanced Training Simulator - Piece o cake
Post by: Karsten75 on August 20, 2010, 02:34:43 PM
Quote from: UpperKEES on August 20, 2010, 01:13:03 PM
We all do (http://knucklecracker.com/forums/index.php?topic=4027.0).

There is another trick that I've seen in (I believe) only two maps and one map was copied from the other. That is an "invisible" emitter right in the central playing area. can't quite recall what map that was, but I know it exists.
Title: Re: Custom Map: Advanced Training Simulator - Piece o cake
Post by: thepenguin on August 20, 2010, 04:51:32 PM
yes, all you need to do is do that with an emitter