If you see a score on a map and are certain it isn't possible, report it by posting to this topic. Include the map name or ID, the score poster name, and the score. Basically, make sure I can easily find the score in question. Note that sometimes impossible looking scores are in fact possible, so consider other scores on the same map for comparison.
Additionally, if you see a name on a high score chart that is not appropriate, report it here as well. I clean them up every now and then, but having specific examples always helps and spurs me into action.
Suspicious score:
S200_162 (Shepiso)
Gazza 5:14.5
Suspicious Score:
S200_87 (Lumvasse)
Creepa' 0:29.2
What kind of names are considered "innapropriate"? The usual bad words? Is there a guide or anything I can consult anywhere?
Quote from: MagneticDuck on September 03, 2014, 08:56:20 AM
What kind of names are considered "innapropriate"? The usual bad words? Is there a guide or anything I can consult anywhere?
Consult your inner moral compass. If it offends you, report it, if it does not offend you, don't report it. Don't go and look for things to report. Be still and things will come to you.
Suspicious Score:
S100_95 (Hianwick)
kev81 1:29.7
Suspicious Score:
S100_182 (Molreport)
MEOWW 1:27.4
Suspicious Score:
S200_108 (Finre)
Zen 0:46.9
Suspicious Score:
S100_182 (Poinisna)
MEOWW 1:50.5
Note: 45.7 appears to be the fastest a nullifier can be built with 3 CN towers.
in colonial space
pajajezek:
70 29.3
88 36.3
136 21.7
173 50.7
222 23.2
364 26.4
492 19.1
516 26.4
571 21.8
Skubidu:
742 25.7
Suspicious Score:
S100_182 Galloy
MEOWW 1:32.0
Suspicious score:
S100_182 - Molreport
MEOWW 9762 1:27.4
Suspicious Scores:
Alpha Sector : Grauniad : Waternaris
Amazing Asian 0:49.4
Luna 1:01.3
kev81 3:04.5
Bricou 3:23.3
Kunaiswarm 3:55.3
Comment: This is a fairly difficult map that must be completed for the Fine Wine achievement. I suspect that a number of lazy medal hunters have taken the easy route here.
I wouldn't mind seeing "twatface" bumped off of S100_122 Micdenter, but they're at place 241, so it's a matter of time.
There's a mess of suspicious scores in the early areas of the Prospector zone, like the five <45s times on S100_0 Aigues-Mortes, belonging to Ed C**ter, Zen, MDomero, Lockhead, and KoRax.
Suspicious scores:
S200_33 : Tillyloneorm
Zen 0:32.5
Ed C**ter 3:28.5
Suspicious scores:
S200_25 : Madnis
Zen 0:30.7
Ed C**ter 0:47.9
aaaa 0:58.5
Suspicious score:
S100_13 : Boazen
Ed Hunter 0:32.2
Suspicious score:
S100_80 : Strathdise
nvx 1:26.4
Suspicious scores:
S200_110 : Auchiveian
Bricou 1:38.8
Suspicious scores:
S200_24 : Ultacon
Zen 0:31.0
Neho 0:31.5
Amazing Asian 0:33.4
Thank you for taking time to delete scores that are clearly cheats. It does take away a significant amount of fun to have scores listed that are obviously cheats, and it's even worse when you're unsure if a score is a cheat or an indication of a great result that you want to spend some time to try and figure out how to beat. So I truly appreciate you taking them down.
The following are cheats:
Luna: Tormented Space s200_102: Razruck: 0:28.3
Zen : Tormented Space:S2300_33: Tillyloneorm: 0:32.5
Ed C**ter : Tormented Space:S2300_33:Tillyloneorm: 3:28.5.
Creepa' : Tormented Space:S2300_175:Stancororm: 0:31.5
However, I notice that Luna, Zen, Ed C**ter, Creepa' and others are frequently reported. And I notice in playing that they each have posted dozens (if not hundreds of high scores) that are obviously fraudulent. Some cheaters even compete with each other to post lower-timed fraudulent high scores. (e.g. Tormented Space:S2300_175:Stancororm). Would it be possible to systematically delete all Zen high scores? Presuming that Zen is done with his 30 second graffiti spree on the high score lists, it would be easiest to remove all of them (the cheats, the suspicious, and any legitimate ones if he ever did post one) all in one fell swoop.
@Tex ...
Nice to see somebody else posting on this thread.
I was starting to feel like a lonely rat 8).
I like your suggestion of sweeping all scores for repeat offenders like Zen & Ed C**ter. Not sure if it's practical, but I like the thought.
Even the early planets have seemingly impossible scores; i.e., Arc Eternal (Abitus - Far York) has 9 scores under 2 minutes. If it's possible to generate enough energy to power 3 nullifiers and keep the creeper low enough to place them, I don't see how. Some of the same players show up in Abitus - Starsync with 9 scores under 2 minutes; again, I don't see how it's possible. Seems like there was a previous situation where we asked players with extremely low times to post videos of their processes, but maybe that was in a tournament situation.
Anyway, I agree it's a good thing to try to eliminate these apparent cheats, and if there are some ways I don't see to create really short times, I'd like to see some of them.
If I understand right it's not possible to beat DMD maps in less then ~45s, if you list the maps by 'most played ever' you'll see dozens of scores well below this.
Wow still so much highscore hacking 8(
Suspicious scores:
S200_136 : Khanborlet
Mega 0:33.9
How are these scores possible? Are there in game cheats that do not disable the scoring? Or is this done through fake database connections?
PS: Every score better than the one set by Alter Old.
Quote from: warren on February 26, 2015, 01:58:08 AM
PS: Every score better than the one set by Alter Old.
;)
The cheating scores are probably set by using a packet-sniffer to record the posting transaction, and then to replay it after modifying the time. Nowadays there are free tools and tutorials that do this, making it nearly trivial to post fake scores. (there are other threads that discuss this, and you can read an example here: https://blog.netspi.com/hacking-high-scores-in-ios-gamecenter/ or here https://mitmproxy.org/doc/tutorials/gamecenter.html).
But this thread it to report cheaters (of which there are plenty). Unfortunately, it's difficult to be 100% sure that someone is cheating without a lot of effort.
I'm convinced that "Ed Hunter" and "Ed C**ter" post almost nothing but cheat times, and are probably the same person. Times like:
- Ed Hunter: Prospector Zone: S100_42: Braymuol: 0:38.5
Ed Hunter: Prospector Zone: S100_13: Boazen: 0:32.2
Ed C**ter: Prospector Zone: S100_0: Aigues-Mortes: 0:26.0
Are clearly cheats (since you can't even build and charge an emitter in under 45 seconds).
But other ones, like (rwx: Prospector Zone: S100_124: Auchcorpka: 1:15.1) are harder to makes sense of. When I first tried that map, it took me over 2 minutes to finish and I thought rwx must be a cheater. But it's hard to tell because it's not 45.7 seconds. So I came back to it after getting better at the game and played it again and got 1:15.6. So I figured out rwx is just really good, and I can use his times to gauge how fast a map can be done.
Suspicious scores:
S200_157 : Coalve
trolol 0:40.5
S200_9 : Jupnairport
trolol 4:54.0
S200_7 : Kilnaleport
trolol 2:57.3
Suspicious scores:
S100_38 : Oanale
Steffan 0:27.3
Zen 0:27.7
Creepa' 0:28.2
Ed C**ter 0:29.4
aaaa 0:35.8
trolol 0:40.8
Suspicious scores:
S200_75 : Barelkor
Knul1 0:27.8
S200_30 : Jovenrek
Knul1 0:32.5
oh baby 0:32.7
S200_22 : East Fudzen
Knul1 0:34.9
Cheaters:
- Froggy168
- Froggy168: Prospector Zone: S100_64: Valrus: 0:50.7
- Froggy168: Prospector Zone: S100_64: Braymozka: 0:54.6
- Froggy168: Prospector Zone: S100_64: Fudap: 1:59.3
- MEOWW
- MEOWW: Prospector Zone: S100_181: Rippew: 1:37.7
- MEOWW: Prospector Zone: S100_181: Alepatna: 1:40.3
- MEOWW: Prospector Zone: S100_181: Madtem: 1:31.1
- MEOWW: Prospector Zone: S100_181: Canukmageorm: 1:20.1
- MEOWW: Prospector Zone: S100_181: Mollones: 1:49.0
- MEOWW: Prospector Zone: S100_181: Sipirxen: 1:14.6
- MEOWW: Prospector Zone: S100_181: Copstrict: 1:29.7
Please consider deleting all of their scores.
I want to thank Virgil for deleting some cheat scores. It was very much appreciated!!
It's very difficult for anyone to validate that the scores are not possible, so perhaps we can work together to create a list of scores that need deleting and that everyone agrees are 99% cheats. I'll post a separate thread later to see if anyone wants to work to do that, or has a good way to maintain and vet such a list.
Quote from: Tex on April 24, 2015, 03:53:28 PM
I want to thank Virgil for deleting some cheat scores. It was very much appreciated!!
It's very difficult for anyone to validate that the scores are not possible, so perhaps we can work together to create a list of scores that need deleting and that everyone agrees are 99% cheats. I'll post a separate thread later to see if anyone wants to work to do that, or has a good way to maintain and vet such a list.
Ditto on the thanks to Virgil. It might just be a consequence of wandering around at the fringes of known space, but it has been a few weeks since I have come across any indisputable cheaters.
@Tex
A separate thread might just dilute the entries on this topic. Then again, you, Warren, and I are the only users I see with multiple posts here, so the impact might not be too significant.
I'd like to report an inappropriate name:
name: F-- U (I am not spelling here the full name for obvious reasons)
map/time/score:
CS#2000 47:52.2 / 5,562
CS#2002 / 4:04:34 / 37,252
CS#2008 / 1:07:18 / 4,713
There might be other maps as well, I just noticed these.
I'd suggest that the many top scores by Jaxx in Tormented space also warrants a closer look. There are very few quick victories in TS.
hp
DMD map "Cheat this" #2702
S200_101 Jovencoting
Krul1 9907 0:33.6 > I don't think you can even build/fire a Nullifier in this amount of time, let alone something to keep it (Nullifier) from being destroyed.
steffan 9836 0:59.7 > Ditto above comment.
Next (3rd) best time is more realistic at 4:01.7.
There are only 13 recorded "high scores" for this map
Suspicious scores:
S200_151 : Sumhur
Steffan 0:50.5
aaaa 0:51.7
S200_52 : Balsisport
aaaa 0:28.3
S200_120 : Utocorpis
Creepa' 0:37.1
aaaa 0:40.7
Steffan 1:33.7
S200_120 : Utocorpis [I typed in the wrong entry from my list -- sorry for the confusion]
S200_188 : Grimageo
Ed C**ter 5:15.5
Note: If this were some random player I would give him the benefit of the doubt on this one, but considering Ed's history I am confident that he didn't legitimately beat the second place score by 3+ minutes.
Quote from: iamltr27 on May 16, 2015, 07:25:07 PM
Suspicious scores:
S200_151 : Sumhur
Steffan 0:50.5
aaaa 0:51.7
S200_52 : Balsisport
aaaa 0:28.3
S200_120 : Utocorpis
Creepa' 0:37.1
aaaa 0:40.7
Steffan 1:33.7
S200_120 : Utocorpis
Ed C**ter 5:15.5
Note: If this were some random player I would give him the benefit of the doubt on this one, but considering Ed's history I am confident that he didn't legitimately beat the second place score by 3+ minutes.
does "Ed" have an offensive name?
report it and it can be scrubbed...
Quote from: teknotiss on May 17, 2015, 07:43:10 AM
does "Ed" have an offensive name?
report it and it can be scrubbed...
I would not be surprised if Ed means to give offense with his name, but my particular complaint with him is that he is a frequent offender with impossible scores. He is one of the high profile graffiti artists that Tex suggested scrubbing earlier in this thread (cf Reply #20 from 15 Dec 2014).
The 5 minute score listed in my previous post is conceivably legitimate, but I think it is safe to assume it is a cheat since it has Ed's name beside it.
[Update] I just realized I entered the wrong system under my complaint against Ed ... your comment makes more sense to me now that I realize my mistake.
S200_0 Waternaris
Krul1 9927 26.3 seconds
This map looks insanely easy for a quick win. But can u even build the stuff that fast? I don't think so. I looked around at several maps in the area. His scores all seem way to good to be true. I think ya need to break out the Ban Hammer
There were several really short times on this map. But I go back to not even being able to build that fast. yes I know u can 4x.
what about just...... what ever the time is in seconds for a Nullifier to be built and zap...... Then all scores deleted under this number
kindest regards
stoey 8)
Quote from: stoey on June 12, 2015, 07:59:21 AM
what about just...... what ever the time is in seconds for a Nullifier to be built and zap...... Then all scores deleted under this number
kindest regards
stoey 8)
There's still custom maps with shorter than normal nullifier build times, maps that don't even need a nullifier to be won, maps like Brain, which use CRPL, maps that use the old totem system... if you just deleted all the scores with a time under the bare limit of the time it takes to build and fire a nullifier, you would probably cut off a lot of real scores too.
It's actually not a bad idea. It can be selectively applied to the controlled sectors of the game. I'll mention it to Virgil. :)
Edit: We looked, and while it's possible, the number of scores that would be wiped this way is actually very small. And it closes some loophole we use to do detect some things...
Quote from: stoey on June 12, 2015, 07:59:21 AM
what about just...... what ever the time is in seconds for a Nullifier to be built and zap...... Then all scores deleted under this number
kindest regards
stoey 8)
The impossible scores can be useful for spotting patterns. If player X has impossible scores on easy Prospector sites, then his incredible (but maybe possible?) scores on more challenging maps can be safely discarded -- if you filter out just the impossible scores then you lose the context that establishes X as a hack.
I prefer the approach Tex suggested back in December of scrubbing ALL entries for established hacks. But even that has issues ... if it is as easy to spoof a name as it is to spoof a score then the hacks would likely respond by hiding behind the names of legit players.
Quote from: Asbestos on June 12, 2015, 11:42:58 AM
There's still custom maps with shorter than normal nullifier build times, maps that don't even need a nullifier to be won, maps like Brain, which use CRPL, maps that use the old totem system... if you just deleted all the scores with a time under the bare limit of the time it takes to build and fire a nullifier, you would probably cut off a lot of real scores too.
ok asbe, i hear ya. there are a some special maps. Maybe it can be used as an indicator for further investigation not formula to delete scores... so....
RESULTS OF TIME TO BUILD NULLIFIER EXPERIMENT
27 Seconds to build nullifier
41 Seconds to build and fire nullifier
Only 4 seconds to build a nullifier on build speed 100. (if the map started on that full upgrade)
There i done my bit for the cause
(as with everything in science this experiment needs to be confirmed by other experiments to establish the consensus view on nullifier build times. chow)
Quote from: Karsten75 on June 12, 2015, 01:08:54 PM
We looked, and while it's possible, the number of scores that would be wiped this way is actually very small. And it closes some loophole we use to do detect some things...
i didnt see you wrote that, kars. Ok no probs. thanks for looking into my idea
Suspicious scores:
S200_36 : Bremoilo
Ed C**ter 1:10.5
S200_116 : Igonar
Ed C**ter 2:52.1
Suspicious scores:
S200_187 : Abertoft
von 6:00.2
tj 6:43.2
jaxx 7:00.5
S200_54 : Kinloneport
Dysoch 0:30.0
Dot 0:52.5
Amazing Asian 1:01.0
Suspicious scores:
S200_144 : Langrusate
Torg 2:32.0
S200_147 : Kinjawfirth
Torg 0:43.2
Creepa' 0:46.6
S200_137 : New Treketh
Torg 0:40.4
The tier-0 building speed is one packet per sixteen frames, or 1.875 E/s. The charging speed is one packet per nine frames, or 3.333 E/s. A Nullifier takes 50 energy to build, 50 energy to charge, and 2 seconds to fully discharge. A Command Node takes 3 seconds to land. Conclusion: the minimum possible time for Inceptus: Tempus is 3 + (50 / 1.875) + (50 / 3.333) + 2 seconds, or 46.667s total.
There are four times on Inceptus: Tempus which are below this minimum possible time. I don't know if they were possible at some point in the past, but they're very definitely not possible now.
CW3 Colonial Space Map 2402 (The Sector TIOCreeper-Level 1) --
A player posted a score with an inappropriate name. Currently #49, with a time of 52:19.6.
ColonialSpace map 2482 "Creeper's Revenge 7"
Ady time 10:30.5
due to CRPL, destroying all 9 ramping emitters (boost 2.5minutes each), minimum time to beat is 22.5 minutes + time to collect tech artifacts.
CS - #2560 "Abort"
radd - 58.5
There is no configuration to get less than 1:02.7 on this...I've tried 50 times.
Quote from: applemachome on September 24, 2015, 10:52:23 PMThere is no configuration to get less than 1:02.7 on this...
Hmmm....
Quote from: applemachome on September 24, 2015, 10:52:23 PM
CS - #2560 "Abort"
radd - 58.5
There is no configuration to get less than 1:02.7 on this...I've tried 50 times.
I'm fairly sure that radd is a legitimate player. See the thread about skill vs. time to see how you can shave off a few split seconds.
I have seen some; many - more or lees the same names with the same setting. -> an inhibitor ~0:46 where ever 'possible' or not w/o cheating
so how about a NSA approach: select all maps and 1st, 2nd and 3d and there names ... make a cluster and bingo
I am a "bad" player, I am interested in playing and getting my brain free for the next hours of work; I in principle dont mind cheaters, but it starts to get annoying if there are always the same names solving it in ~46'' ...
I am not a fast player; so i don't mind if I am not one of the top ten (or 100) - just cheating is not fair ...
Note: 45.7 is a bit of a magical number. Unless a map uses CRPL or custom unit costs, (or a few other rare things) this is the best time possible. Scores of ~46 seconds are only suspicious if there are: More than one emitter greatly spaced and no inhibitor; no syphon and only one Command node may be built; the creeper is too deep and spreads too quickly.
Suspicious score:
S200_19 : Igotoftstead
Mystion 0:49.7
Suspicious scores:
S100_28 : Astcor
savagenights 0:33.6
S100_28 : Faracotan
savagenights 0:40.5
S100_28 : Kyleucorol
savagenights 0:49.7
S100_28 : Empmira
savagenights 1:08.0
S100_28 : Tulphe
savagenights 1:20.6
S100_28 : Lumneckum
savagenights 1:46.6
Suspicious scores:
S100_199 : Oralipho
savagenights 1:09.0
I would assume that the following first place scores are also cheats based on the player's history.
S100_199 : Polcorpis
savagenights 7:14.6
S100_199 : Sunap
savagenights 5:01.5
For added amusement, Tex and wiseage (a couple of players who regularly show up at the top of boards with what appear to be legit scores) both bested savagenights at S100_199 Dunvasseian. Working on the assumption that savagenights was hacking for all his scores in this system, it looks like he wasn't competent enough to consistently beat good players even with his hacks active.
Suspicious score:
S200_40 : Auchnaier
Merlin 0:57.4
Suspect with six-sigma certainty that Yulice didn't get this score legitimately.
Suspicious score:
S200_64 : Bradsometum
bricou 0:48.6
Suspicious score:
S200_168 : Sudcardentum
DonRobusto 0:00.0
This is the first time I have noted an insta-win.
Suspicious scores:
S200_150 : Golkaola
steffan 0:48.8
landwhale 0:54.5
S200_198 : Culvasse
landwhale 0:32.8
S200_167 : Stanpir
landwhale 0:46.2
S200_196 : Caerpirmouth
landwhale 0:28.3
S200_81 : Lummicanxen
landwhale 1:58.9
Suspicious scores:
S200_82 : Dalzens
Bio 0:27.7
S200_124 : Lostwayter
Bio 0:32.7
On Colonial Space map 3622 (Particles #7 by Tardis) at score position #8 The user name is [inappropriate to repeat on the forum].
Quote from: Xalos on July 14, 2015, 01:07:56 PM
The tier-0 building speed is one packet per sixteen frames, or 1.875 E/s. The charging speed is one packet per nine frames, or 3.333 E/s. A Nullifier takes 50 energy to build, 50 energy to charge, and 2 seconds to fully discharge. A Command Node takes 3 seconds to land. Conclusion: the minimum possible time for Inceptus: Tempus is 3 + (50 / 1.875) + (50 / 3.333) + 2 seconds, or 46.667s total.
There are four times on Inceptus: Tempus which are below this minimum possible time. I don't know if they were possible at some point in the past, but they're very definitely not possible now.
Currently there are 18, the lowest being 7 seconds.
Username: M-53
What map? Every single one i've played so far.
Always on top of the list, with insanely low times. (1 sec, 7 sec, etc)
Are sub-45s times possible on any map? Even the first one, I can't figure out how to get a Nullifier built and charged in less than a minute.
I just want to say I think this game is Awsome and even more Awsome that you guys r trying to sort the cheaters from the players, I think I may have somthing the game seems to miss or the players miss atleast, I hope my guppy adventures will open up some fresh ideas , how ever some of the maps I've already posted have taken me best part of 3 days to make it hurts a little to see a stupid scores of just a few mins to complete after all that time planning, I stopped playing a famous game that's been going for several years on the PlayStation come other devices, cost me best part of 100 pound to go online to be cheated out of my points. Awsome job guys keep up good work I know you guys find it hard to cope with all the text traffic and your game making too please everyone just wanted to spur you guys on and let you know you are appreciated:-)
suspect score(s):Suspect scores screenshot (https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/852718405202827317/CC22A2D3784E469BE9E32F2A0422EF48354DA280/)
Quote from: StormD on December 28, 2016, 02:48:21 PM
Are sub-45s times possible on any map? Even the first one, I can't figure out how to get a Nullifier built and charged in less than a minute.
46 seconds is the fastest, any faster on a non-colonial space map is cheating (maybe fastest is 42, definitely no faster)
S_100 (only map on it)
Really suspicious scores (https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/852718405202915114/78076301B1D29E4C6874D7EF8F231FDEE995B36B/)
Suspicious Scores:
S200_0 Alelurgtum
Matt - 0:02.00
Lx - 0:02.00
Misteri0n - 0:02.00
S100_176: Glait
1. LGM 0:48.6
2. kojot77 0:52.3
Many of their other times in this system also seem unlikely to be achievable.
Tiplex,
JHSPerc 0:06.2
Kali 0:07.4
S100_82 system, many planets.
Impossible times in multiple missions:
puka the record breaker
vivek
Dolan
bnl
Times are fast (not realistic) when early rapid expansion is limited but are slow when it is not limited [seems like unlimited energy cheating, if it isn't I want to know how it is possible!]:
SuMe_from_Turkey
Pretty much all the campaign missions: On9Workshop
Defi is particularly egregious, with a time of 0:00.2 and a score of 9999.
There are several other guys with sub-ten second times all though the campaign.
Inappropriate user name on map 6504 (time 45.21.1)
There were actually 114 of those. Virgil is on it. Thanks for the heads-up.
CW3 #6539 has a score with an inappropriate name. Time 1:13:38.8
CW3 #6561, 33:55.6.
Possibly same guy as before.
CW3 #6563, 55:03.1
Impossible times:
CW3 S100_149 : Bretic and more
Username: Fun Ruiner
CW3 S100_149 : Maccor and more
Username: F.S.U. Inc.
CW3 S100_153 : Braykethka
Username: Sephy
CW3
S100_187: Nanwickrol
Usernames: Keeper, Killforfood2
CW3, S100_128 : Urpool
Suspicious score
Username: Ultra Blitzkrieg
CW3 - Colonial Space - map#6763, Alphabet T by AuronGrande
Username: Skubidu
CW 3, S100_55: Tauuco (and more)
puka the record breaker
Suspicious scores;
Name: For Fun
Maps: Multiple Colonial Space maps
Comments: Any map with energy and/or Totems available gets a consistent lower score than anyone else, I use other player scores as benchmarks (especially players like D0m0nik, RrR, etc)
Map 6849 - 11:12.2 (might be legit)
Map 6846 - 13:52.2
Map 6843 - 10:28.0
Map 6833 - 13:07.8
Map 6583 - 7:29.2
And others
Suspicious Scores
Prospector Zone : S100_111: Saxojawan
Name: Slaanesh Time: 0:02.0
Name: Tobias of the Q time: 0:02.0
There are several maps with these impossible 2 second scores. and I have been seeing them through several maps in the Prospector Zone and Tormented Space.
Suspicious score:
CW3. Colonial space. Map # 8066
User Nofear time 45.7
There is no way to neutralize all the targets in this time. Emitter creep will destroy any neutralizer placed near within range of it, within seconds (before the CN can even land)
Suspicious scores, colonial space maps.
Map 8675
Nofear - 3:01.7
Fireswamp - 4:44.7 (Might be legitimate, a lot of their scores are low but have matched up with other players.)
Map 8672
Diesel - 6:31.0
Map 8658
3700X - 0:02.0 (literally impossible to be legitimate)
Map 8627
FatRatKnight - 4:35.9
Map 8621
Zerostage - 3:51.3
Map 8619
FatRatKnight - 2:59.2
GoodGriefAAAARGH - 3:34.1
Suspicious scores/blatant cheating
Colonial Space Map 8718
NoFearUSucK 0:00.2
NoFear 1:06.4
Suspicious scores, DMD
8855
diesel 2:06.3
map 1208 Yummy DMD
Reaction to some suspicious scores I think should be possible. I react to this because I know my own levels, so I can see a bit more options than most others.
Map 8627 possible score? (Already removed)
Spoiler
(already removed, player got a new time of 9 minutes which seems very possible to me)FatRatKnight - 4:35.9
-> You can actually get that score if you get energy production and semi-suicide send in some shields. I haven't tested it, but it seems possible to me, especially with the stupid power zones I placed. Even with that strategy, I think it would take me somewhat over 5 minutes. Thing is, the score seems possible, but you would need to plan ahead a lot. I think this score is: Uncertain (Might be possible, but I don't really think much of the chances)
Map 8619 possible score? (Already removed)
(Removed already)
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FatRatKnight - 2:59.2
GoodGriefAAAARGH - 3:34.1
-> you can theoretically try to go for the corner right away, ignoring the intended route. As the creeper's power scales to amount of terrain covered but reversed, it might be possible. The script is also slightly random(It might not do anything for a few seconds in a row if you are lucky.). It would take a pretty extreme amount of attempts and pauses though. Another thing to note is that the spores scale way more extremely than the creeper emitting. I would say, these scores are: Plausible until tested? (If after testing it finds out not to work, just pretend I never mentioned this.)
Just thought I would say this (And I can no longer delete my post now that I already posted it, only edit)
zerostage somehow got 2 minutes at map 8619, I think that is getting very questionable.
Map 8723
Everyone with a time above trickygamer''s score (Hey, that's me!) has a huge gap with the other players, more than 7 minutes. Pretty sure something fishy is going on then...
I think times of less than 3 minutes should not be possible, though I am not sure.
Map 8735
0:09:2 (FatRatKnight again)
This level literally only has the cursor. it should be VERY easy to find out if this score is possible. It only needs pressing N instead of P. Suspicious but maybe, just maybe it is possible.
For the sake of preventing this post from getting too long, I put the rest of the post under a spoiler. I haven't even checked all of my levels yet, and there are already this much results that I have to cut it short.
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Map 8744:
Orbital Strike(player's name) has a time lower than the time needed to nullify an emitter. The level contains some regular emitters, thus the score is invalid for sure.
Map 8746
Orbital Strike has a time of 3 seconds. I know the level is completely broken, but I am quite certain you can't get 3 seconds (also because 5 other people got 10.3 seconds somehow...)
Map 8758
This level's theme is making it hard to progress, and zerostage got a time of 4 minutes?
That score isn't legit for sure, unless they found a bug/glitch.
Map 8762
zerostage got a time of 15 minutes. I am pretty sure that is not possible, but I am not 100% sure, only 90%.
Map 8767
zerostage got a time of 10 minutes. I did 15 minutes myself with the most turtle strategy ever, I placed reactors everywhere. Might be legit.
seems like zerostage does this a lot... either this person has 300IQ or it is an AI programmed to play this game somehow. Or, of course, maybe they are just not playing legit.
Map 8769
You probably guessed it at this point, but zerostage got an unbelievable score again, just under 1 minute. (Though it would be possible if they got really lucky with the random terrain, but that is only theoretical and it would take over a million plays for sure.)
CS 8773
Nofear
2:04.5
CS 8804
Level is probably not possible, and if the level is possible it probably can't be done in the times that are currently at the scores. Beating the level would need a lot of build speed and at least 2-4 singularities active for quite a few seconds. I didn't do the math, but I have a feeling that the level isn't possible unless there is some sort of strange save/load stuff going on. I think the level needs to be tested before (possibly) removing it, though that is just my opinion. In any case, looking at the level should probably be done, and not just to play it for fun.
edit: Level and scores might be possible to win. I can no longer remove this post, so I'll just leave this here.
DMD 8908
Owner name.
DMD 8908
Owner name.
Do we really want an owner name of "(TwoRudeWords)" showing up?
Cw3 Colonial space
Map 8894
Any score under 23 minutes is impossible.
Some people have scores/times under 23 minutes, thus they are cheating.
I'm 90% certain this conclusion makes sense.
Maybe it's possible if you have like 20 berthas, but I don't think anyone is going to put that much effort in a level.
In addition, FatRatKnight and zerostage already have had quite some suspicious scores. (It might be subjective to say this, but I have this completely unreasonable feeling that zack might not be cheating. I'm probably the only person with that feeling though.)
Actually, zerostage seems to get obviously impossible scores quite frequently.
Map 8619 FatRatKnight - 2:59.2
map 8735 FatRatKnight - 0:09.2
it is back in july but i see it in Suspicious scores.
i see FatRatKnight a few times in that forum but i do not believe atm that person is a cheater.
Map 8619, me and fire used around 15 mins and got 2:30.
map 8735 i got a 0:10.3
Map 8672
Diesel - 6:31.0
i got a time of 5:39.5 so it is not a Suspicious Scores ;)
map 8723, zerostage´s time of 57.6 is impossible. in the map you need to use 2 nullifer and map limit is 1. you only got time for one build speed and it cant be active for the building of the 1. nullifer.
yes?
i dont know the math but if no one tells me no im gonna put it in Suspicious Scores
i do believe this score nails zerostage as a cheater unless someone can explain how to build 2 nullifers, one after the other, in 57.6 with math or other means of proof.
For knucracker to constantly devote time in cleaning up the score tables seem to be a waste of time and energy.
Cheaters will cheat, and ultimately we're not going to invest the time and effort to deter them when there is little benefit to be derived.
As such, going forward, only reports on inappropriate and offensive names will be considered for action. THere can be reported in a new thread here: https://knucklecracker.com/forums/index.php?topic=35310.0
This topic has now outlived its usefulness and as such I'm locking it and letting it sink to the bottom of the pile.
For further information, I have discussed this with knucracker, and he will investigate porting the back-end that returns scores to the CW4 model of an unsorted "player log' that returns the most recent scores and not the lowest/best scores absent a name in the "Group" field.