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Author: Houlian (http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld2/viewmaps.php?author=Houlian)
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Hello. This is my second map, so please realize that I am not a pro map maker yet. You have landed on one of the moons orbiting jupiter. Unfortunately once you arrive, you are met with a very mean beast. The dragon is capable of firing dragonbreath shots from deep within his chest. At the bottom of the map you will find your command ship. Take note of the shield boxes, for the small spaces within the shields are some of the long lost anti-loki weapons. There are 4 weapons total. The two bigger boxes need anti-creeper makers inside of them so they can charge the huge anti-loki weapon at the top of the map. The two smaller boxes are sub-weapons, one of them fires anti-creeper to combat the dragons fiery breath, and the other shoots a scatter bomb above the loki-enraged dragon. All weapons fire automatically, and they are timed. Once you have inserted some anti-creeper makers inside of the weapon compartments, you can move in for the kill while the anti-loki mega-gun at the top of the map helps you.
ok how is it possible to get a 61 health emitter killed in less than 5 mins??
the top ten scores are deeply suspicious
so are the next ten really but 5 mins i can believe
a question for the mods... is there a ban on cheaters?
author loved the concepts good map keep it up! (maybe a little more threat at the start)
7/10
None of the top scores are hacked. I know that fitz is an honest player, and Fisherck was the first one to get such a time.
well i said suspicious
how do you kill a 61 emitter in such a short time?
do you forget the AC maker weapons and charge the LS up asap hover over the emitter build TONS of weapons and win?
cos if it's that simple i'll have another go
I can't figure it out, I just know it's possible. :P I'm guessing it involves building huge amounts of nullifiers at one time, but idk.
Quote from: teknotiss on March 12, 2012, 05:44:12 PM
well i said suspicious
how do you kill a 61 emitter in such a short time?
do you forget the AC maker weapons and charge the LS up asap hover over the emitter build TONS of weapons and win?
cos if it's that simple i'll have another go
Why do you jump to conclusions so fast. Fisherck is an amazing player, he can probably do better then some do the hackers. :P
I can assure you it is quite possible. With unlimited energy, one can use all 20 available spaces for a nullifier (the area that the nullifier is in range of the emitter) to take out that 61 health emitter in just over three sets. :)
If I remember correctly, the majority of the 2:40 I spent on this map was clearing the creeper so I could nullify the emitter. It doesn't take a nullifier long at all to do it's job.
EDIT: And I can personally vouch for others ahead of me on ths map. Those time are quite possible too. :)
cobra i said suspicious.
that is by definition a lack of a conclusion.
it's an idea.
and how else am i to find out the info if i don't pose a question?
fisherck thanks for the info.
so essentially a rush mission to kill the creeper then emitter.
hmm might have a go at this again then.
Seems I have posted a score on this map while I have never downloaded it. Someone else is posting scores under my name >:(
Quote from: Fisherck on March 12, 2012, 11:56:11 PM
I can assure you it is quite possible. With unlimited energy, one can use all 20 available spaces for a nullifier (the area that the nullifier is in range of the emitter) to take out that 61 health emitter in just over three sets. :)
If I remember correctly, the majority of the 2:40 I spent on this map was clearing the creeper so I could nullify the emitter. It doesn't take a nullifier long at all to do it's job.
EDIT: And I can personally vouch for others ahead of me on ths map. Those time are quite possible too. :)
Like he says. The key to me was using shields to make shore packets didn't get disrupted as you move the LS to the top and a hundred plus launchers to clear the path to the CBs which allow you to clear around the emitter and the buried creeper. There aren't many things in life better than getting a higher score than Fisherck 8)
Quote from: Ebon Heart on March 12, 2012, 03:22:14 PM
None of the top scores are hacked. I know that fitz is an honest player,
How sweet, will you tell my Mum please :-*
Quote from: J on March 13, 2012, 03:05:51 PM
Seems I have posted a score on this map while I have never downloaded it. Someone else is posting scores under my name >:(
that's another option
it would make sense (in a way) to cover a cheating score by posting others as fast scores too. I AM NOT SAYING ANYONE WAS CHEATING!!!!
hmm well fisherck can do it quick perhaps you forgot you played it? :D
woooo
5.33.
never would have retried if fisherck etc hadn't confirmed it.
also thought that the LS would die before getting through, never knew it was so durable, i might try that on a few other maps.
Quote from: teknotiss on March 13, 2012, 02:58:55 PM
cobra i said suspicious.
that is by definition a lack of a conclusion.
it's an idea.
and how else am i to find out the info if i don't pose a question?
fisherck thanks for the info.
so essentially a rush mission to kill the creeper then emitter.
hmm might have a go at this again then.
"How do you get those times?"
To me it sounded like you were implying those times are hacked. Yes I read suspicious but it still sound like your implying those scores are hacked. Being here for a year I've learned that of there on the forums they probably aren't hacking, especially ones I know. I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just... curious.
ah well, my suspicions come from a poster, who, on the "impossible code maps" thread, admitting to cheating. page 28 i think.
and no worries, i'm new, you don't know how i use language. i'm pretty literal.
ie "rocks are hard, dark is dark, if you start messing around with things like that you're in trouble" (Dwarfs, Terry Pratchett i thinks it's from Guards Guards) :D
i don't know how many people have cheated at maps (having had another go in 5.33 i can confirm fast times are possible here too), but some maps seem really unlikely. on this map it was because i had no idea the LS could survive in the creeper for long enough.
still don't think i can get <3 mins on this one though.
i suppose i'll have to play on slow speed and try to be a precision timing player. :-\
Quote from: teknotiss on March 13, 2012, 03:35:03 PM
Quote from: J on March 13, 2012, 03:05:51 PM
Seems I have posted a score on this map while I have never downloaded it. Someone else is posting scores under my name >:(
that's another option
it would make sense (in a way) to cover a cheating score by posting others as fast scores too. I AM NOT SAYING ANYONE WAS CHEATING!!!!
hmm well fisherck can do it quick perhaps you forgot you played it? :D
1) I don't forget stuff that fast
2) I looked for this map in my custom maps section (in %appdata%) and the other place where I download maps, but I didn't find this map.
3) I downloaded the map and it said I've never played it (it's not stored on my computer)
Quote from: teknotiss on March 13, 2012, 02:58:55 PM
cobra i said suspicious.
that is by definition a lack of a conclusion.
it's an idea.
and how else am i to find out the info if i don't pose a question?
fisherck thanks for the info.
so essentially a rush mission to kill the creeper then emitter.
hmm might have a go at this again then.
By posting a honest question rather than a veiled accusation?
J it looks like there is something funny going on.
5 J 9597 2 min 31 sec
if you didn't post it, cos you haven't played it, since you didn't download it, wtf?
very strange.
oh sorry karsten, i forgot you were the very soul of politeness!
besides, in my dictionary a suspicion is quiet different than an accusation. whom did i accuse?
Quote from: teknotiss on March 14, 2012, 11:47:16 AM
J it looks like there is something funny going on.
5 J 9597 2 min 31 sec
if you didn't post it, cos you haven't played it, since you didn't download it, wtf?
very strange.
oh sorry karsten, i forgot you were the very soul of politeness!
besides, in my dictionary a suspicion is quiet different than an accusation. whom did i accuse?
Just stop, you don't want to end up like cheesecake.. this will be the second fight you've started with a noteable forum member on this one comment thread.
well again i didn't start a fight (i did fail to spell well last post though, ironic!)
comes back to definitions i suppose, i shall try to phrase everything from now on as neutrally as possible. and avoid long words to keep it simple
so i shall restate my original post.
from "the top ten scores are deeply suspicious
so are the next ten really but 5 mins i can believe"
ahem "i find it odd that such fast scores have been posted for this map"...
is that better?
Just posted my time/score 2:43 9565 (but it doesn't appear because there's another score)
Quote from: teknotiss on March 14, 2012, 04:16:25 PM
well again i didn't start a fight (i did fail to spell well last post though, ironic!)
comes back to definitions i suppose, i shall try to phrase everything from now on as neutrally as possible. and avoid long words to keep it simple
so i shall restate my original post.
from "the top ten scores are deeply suspicious
so are the next ten really but 5 mins i can believe"
ahem "i find it odd that such fast scores have been posted for this map"...
is that better?
You don't need act like we're stupid, by using small words. Just don't jump to conclusions so fast and act like everyone's hacker. We've had one that can be confirmed. Not every one is bad. Just be cool, and try not to come across as so harsh :)
wow cobra i didn't accuse you or anyone of being stupid. keeping things simple for clarity is not the same as saying you or anyone else is stupid, ignorant or anything else. just to be totally clear, if i wanted i could have typed something insulting. i didn't.
i just typed that i would try not to use long words when possible.
i haven't jumped to any conclusions about anyone or anything. have you?
i never stated or implied "everyone" is a hacker.
i apologise if you didn't like my first post.
i explained my position and changed it when i had new information.
i'm not being harsh, i was being suspicious
i don't see what's wrong with being suspicious?
i made no accusations. accusations with or without evidence would have been harsh.
you accuse me of accusing others. i did no such thing.
in the same post as i first pointed out i had not jumped to a conclusion to you, i thanked Fisherck for informing me it was indeed possible to do this map so fast.
and stated i would have another go at speed running it.
and did it in 5.33 ish.
if you read meaning into my posts that i didn't include, that is your problem not mine.
i used the word suspicious because i meant suspicious.
my suspicions were unfounded. so if the previous posts don't make it clear, i accused no-one of cheating or hacking. i was also wrong thinking that this map would destroy the LS if i went for a speed approach.
so i also posted this
Quote from: teknotiss on March 13, 2012, 03:59:19 PM
woooo
5.33.
never would have retried if fisherck etc hadn't confirmed it.
also thought that the LS would die before getting through, never knew it was so durable, i might try that on a few other maps.
thinking that this would show my change of position. ie from suspicious about the fast scores to confirming that they are possible.
doesn't seem to have worked. ???
That's what I got from it. And don't just say Wow, Cobra. I've already had a bad day and I don't want to come here and feel insulted by you. Just watch what you say. Don't use small words for "Clarity" It's not the reason your misunderstood. It's you fail to realize it as came across as an accusation. Think before you act, an don't jump to accusations so quick. Not everyone is a cheater, and this isn't the first time you've jumped to the conclusion, "It's a hacker." Remeber there's always someone better then you.
Quote from: CobraKill on March 15, 2012, 08:19:43 PM
That's what I got from it. And don't just say Wow, Cobra. I've already had a bad day and I don't want to come here and feel insulted by you. Just watch what you say. Don't use small words for "Clarity" It's not the reason your misunderstood. It's you fail to realize it as came across as an accusation. Think before you act, an don't jump to accusations so quick. Not everyone is a cheater, and this isn't the first time you've jumped to the conclusion, "It's a hacker." Remeber there's always someone better then you.
i have posted that i now know that this map is achievable in a short time and a statement that my suspicions were unfounded.
Quote from: teknotiss on March 13, 2012, 03:35:03 PM
Quote from: J on March 13, 2012, 03:05:51 PM
Seems I have posted a score on this map while I have never downloaded it. Someone else is posting scores under my name >:(
that's another option
it would make sense (in a way) to cover a cheating score by posting others as fast scores too. I AM NOT SAYING ANYONE WAS CHEATING!!!!
hmm well fisherck can do it quick perhaps you forgot you played it? :D
well i'm sorry you had a bad day. don't threaten me. i have stated repeatedly that i accused no-one. you accused me, repeatedly, of accusing people.
you didn't like the way i stated my post. ok
i changed my position.
you keep on at me.
why?
I'm sorry. I shouldn't have snapped.
Someone asked me to send
Quote from: J on March 15, 2012, 02:53:08 AM
Just posted my time/score 2:43 9565 (but it doesn't appear because there's another score)
to VirgilW. The reason why I don't do that: Everybody can post scores under a different name, and if someone else posts a better score under your name, your own score won't appear.
Just posted a better score so it's now my own score (2:14)
Quote from: teknotiss on March 14, 2012, 04:16:25 PM
well again i didn't start a fight (i did fail to spell well last post though, ironic!)
comes back to definitions i suppose, i shall try to phrase everything from now on as neutrally as possible. and avoid long words to keep it simple
so i shall restate my original post.
from "the top ten scores are deeply suspicious
so are the next ten really but 5 mins i can believe"
ahem "i find it odd that such fast scores have been posted for this map"...
is that better?
Mmm ya. But you neglected to quote your next line
a question for the mods... is there a ban on cheaters?That's fairly accusatory. This was after the other day you called a whole bunch of people cheaters which annoyed me to the extend I did a utube to show how it was possible. Chillax and practice.
Enough. Please read this: Custom map comments (http://knucklecracker.com/forums/index.php?topic=10092.0).