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Creeper World => Chronom Mission Discussion => Topic started by: UpperKEES on October 12, 2010, 01:45:21 PM

Title: Weekly history tournament - Notable Fighter Aces of the World - closing Oct. 17
Post by: UpperKEES on October 12, 2010, 01:45:21 PM
This weeks theme has been selected by ctuna:

Notable Fighter Aces of the World (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aces_of_aces)

The maps to be played before Sunday October 17 at midnight (forum time) are:







Map
Date of birth
AceAccomplishmentKills





1.
October 8, 1890 (http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld/viewscores.php?missionGroup=chronom&month=9&day=8&year1=1&year2=8&year3=9&year4=0)
Eddie RickenbackerHighest scoring US WWI ace, Medal of Honor winner, CEO of Eastern Airlines
26
2.
May 2, 1892 (http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld/viewscores.php?missionGroup=chronom&month=4&day=2&year1=1&year2=8&year3=9&year4=2)
Manfred von RichthofenHighest scoring ace of WWI, Snoopy's nemesis
80
3.
September 24, 1920 (http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld/viewscores.php?missionGroup=chronom&month=8&day=24&year1=1&year2=9&year3=2&year4=0)
Dick BongHighest scoring US ace, Medal of Honor winner
40
4.
August 18, 1921 (http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld/viewscores.php?missionGroup=chronom&month=7&day=18&year1=1&year2=9&year3=2&year4=1)
Lydia LitvyakHigher scoring of the only two female aces
12
5.
April 19, 1922 (http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld/viewscores.php?missionGroup=chronom&month=3&day=19&year1=1&year2=9&year3=2&year4=2)
Erich HartmannHighest scoring ace in history
352






The winner (best total score) gets to pick next weeks theme. If we have the same winner as last week, the runner up (#2) will pick the theme. See here (http://knucklecracker.com/forums/index.php?topic=4621.0) for the rules and an overview of themes.

Please post your progress/total scores in this topic to ease the calculations at the end of the week.

Good luck and enjoy! :)
Title: Re: Weekly history tournament - Notable Fighter Aces of the World - closing Oct. 17
Post by: Kamron3 on October 12, 2010, 04:34:44 PM
Quote
4.   
August 18, 1921
Lydia Litvyak   Higher scoring of the only two female aces   12
That is absolutely hilarious.

Compared to the lowest amount on the table and the highest amount on the table, that number is laughable.
Title: Re: Weekly history tournament - Notable Fighter Aces of the World - closing Oct. 17
Post by: ctuna on October 12, 2010, 05:44:26 PM
Well, there weren't many female fighter pilots anywhere (my admittedly limited research has revealed none in the US, Britain or Germany) she was a Russian, and they didn't have the best records in the fighter business in WWII, and, they were up against Hartmann (best ever), who reportedly got most of his kills against the Russians, and, she might have gotten as many as 17, depending on your source.
Title: Re: Weekly history tournament - Notable Fighter Aces of the World - closing Oct. 17
Post by: Katra on October 12, 2010, 06:58:48 PM
*First score posted on all 5. Yay for Wednesday thru Friday/Saturday work week.* ;)

Oct.  8, 1890    9072   6:08
May  2, 1892    9599   2:30
Sep 24, 1920    9742   1:35
Aug 18, 1921    9672   2:02
Apr 19, 1922     9387   3:55
                    47472

Rather fitting that 4 of the 5 required some fancy flying. Especially the last.  ;D (Three fools mates this week.)
Title: Re: Weekly history tournament - Notable Fighter Aces of the World - closing Oct. 17
Post by: ctuna on October 13, 2010, 12:28:27 AM
Mine, so far
1.   October 8, 1890                  9486   3:15
2.   May 2, 1892                       9719   1:44
3.   September 24, 1920             9734   1:38
4.   August 18, 1921                  9690   1:55
5.   April 19, 1922                    9486    3:15

   Totals:                             48115   11:47
Final update (probably).
Title: Re: Weekly history tournament - Notable Fighter Aces of the World - closing Oct. 17
Post by: UpperKEES on October 13, 2010, 07:13:16 AM
Quote from: ctuna on October 12, 2010, 05:44:26 PM
Well, there weren't many female fighter pilots anywhere (my admittedly limited research has revealed none in the US, Britain or Germany) she was a Russian, and they didn't have the best records in the fighter business in WWII, and, they were up against Hartmann (best ever), who reportedly got most of his kills against the Russians, and, she might have gotten as many as 17, depending on your source.

It seems the Russians introduced emancipation a bit earlier than the western world. Not that strange with Karl Marx being one of the first to write about it.

Quote from: Kamron3 on October 12, 2010, 04:34:44 PM
Compared to the lowest amount on the table and the highest amount on the table, that number is laughable.

When looking at the numbers I'm more surprised by the rather low amount of US kills (although I realize they got involved later on during both wars).
Title: Re: Weekly history tournament - Notable Fighter Aces of the World - closing Oct. 17
Post by: Katra on October 13, 2010, 02:02:29 PM
Quote from: UpperKEES on October 13, 2010, 07:13:16 AM
Quote from: Kamron3 on October 12, 2010, 04:34:44 PM
Compared to the lowest amount on the table and the highest amount on the table, that number is laughable.

When looking at the numbers I'm more surprised by the rather low amount of US kills (although I realize they got involved later on during both wars).

From what I've read there were two main factors leading to US aces having lower scores.

1. In WW2 the axis (esp. German) aces were in a seriously target rich environment against generally less capable aircraft. The US aces were in areas with fewer targets.

2. The US normally pulled experienced pilots out of combat after a relatively short tour of duty. (Promoted and/or assigned to train new pilots.)
Title: Re: Weekly history tournament - Notable Fighter Aces of the World - closing Oct. 17
Post by: UpperKEES on October 13, 2010, 07:55:47 PM

My final results:






Map
Date
Score
Time




1.
October 8, 1890 (http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld/viewscores.php?missionGroup=chronom&month=9&day=8&year1=1&year2=8&year3=9&year4=0)
9561
2:45
2.
May 2, 1892 (http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld/viewscores.php?missionGroup=chronom&month=4&day=2&year1=1&year2=8&year3=9&year4=2)
9734
1:38
3.
September 24, 1920 (http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld/viewscores.php?missionGroup=chronom&month=8&day=24&year1=1&year2=9&year3=2&year4=0)
9769
1:25
4.
August 18, 1921 (http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld/viewscores.php?missionGroup=chronom&month=7&day=18&year1=1&year2=9&year3=2&year4=1)
9713
1:46
5.
April 19, 1922 (http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld/viewscores.php?missionGroup=chronom&month=3&day=19&year1=1&year2=9&year3=2&year4=2)
9612
2:25




Totals:
48389
9:59





Yeah! Finally did 5 maps in less than 10 minutes! :P
Title: Re: Weekly history tournament - Notable Fighter Aces of the World - closing Oct. 17
Post by: UpperKEES on October 15, 2010, 12:54:23 PM
Two more days!

When the #1 and #2 stay the same (ctuna & me), the #3 will pick next weeks theme. For now this is Katra, so you may want to start thinking about it.... :)
Title: Re: Weekly history tournament - Notable Fighter Aces of the World - closing Oct. 17
Post by: Fisherck on October 16, 2010, 10:52:42 PM
Finished all the maps, though hopefully, I will be able to drop a bit more time.






Map
Date
Score
Time




1.
October 8, 1890 (http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld/viewscores.php?missionGroup=chronom&month=9&day=8&year1=1&year2=8&year3=9&year4=0)
9488
3:14
2.
May 2, 1892 (http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld/viewscores.php?missionGroup=chronom&month=4&day=2&year1=1&year2=8&year3=9&year4=2)
9700
1:51
3.
September 24, 1920 (http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld/viewscores.php?missionGroup=chronom&month=8&day=24&year1=1&year2=9&year3=2&year4=0)
9674
2:01
4.
August 18, 1921 (http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld/viewscores.php?missionGroup=chronom&month=7&day=18&year1=1&year2=9&year3=2&year4=1)
9687
1:56
5.
April 19, 1922 (http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld/viewscores.php?missionGroup=chronom&month=3&day=19&year1=1&year2=9&year3=2&year4=2)
9554
2:48




Totals:
48103
11:50




Okay, you win, I have homework to do. Bad excuse to tell the teacher I did not do my homework because I was trying to drop a couple seconds to get second place in a creeper world tournament. ;D Your just to good ctuna.  ;)
Title: Re: Weekly history tournament - Notable Fighter Aces of the World - closing Oct. 17
Post by: UpperKEES on October 17, 2010, 12:43:43 PM
Quote from: Fisherck on October 16, 2010, 10:52:42 PM
There we go, moved to second, I think...

Nice! When you keep that spot you can pick next weeks theme, as you should have 2 weeks ago. This will allow me to get rid of my bad feeling due to bypassing you! If anyone deserves this it's you with 3 third places and 2 second spots.

Edit: well, a third place (again!) also does the job.... ctuna indeed has become a very good player too!
Title: Re: Weekly history tournament - Notable Fighter Aces of the World - closing Oct. 17
Post by: Fisherck on October 17, 2010, 09:31:33 PM
Quote from: UpperKEES on October 17, 2010, 12:43:43 PM
Edit: well, a third place (again!) also does the job.... ctuna indeed has become a very good player too!
You can say that again! 3rd place :P. And yes, ctuna has become a very good player.
Title: Re: Weekly history tournament - Notable Fighter Aces of the World - closing Oct. 17
Post by: ctuna on October 17, 2010, 10:55:01 PM
Congrats, Fisherck, and, of course, Kees. I still seem to be missing either a general concept or some timimg/energy issues, when Kess can beat my best (lots of tries) times by almost 2 minutes on essentially 2 maps. I'm really curious to see Kees' solutions to the first and last of these.
Title: Re: Weekly history tournament - Notable Fighter Aces of the World - closing Oct. 17
Post by: UpperKEES on October 18, 2010, 01:08:23 AM
Quote from: ctuna on October 17, 2010, 10:55:01 PM
Congrats, Fisherck, and, of course, Kees.

Congrats to you as well with your second second place in a row. :) Funny, a tuna beats a fisher! ;)

Because the top 2 is the same as last week Fisherck will pick next weeks theme. I've already received his selection by PM and will publish it after posting the final results.

Quote from: ctuna on October 17, 2010, 10:55:01 PM
I still seem to be missing either a general concept or some timimg/energy issues, when Kess can beat my best (lots of tries) times by almost 2 minutes on essentially 2 maps. I'm really curious to see Kees' solutions to the first and last of these.

This week it was struggling for every second.... I'll post my solutions later on today. I should really try to remember to make screenshots when the rift opens.
Title: Re: Weekly history tournament - Notable Fighter Aces of the World - closing Oct. 17
Post by: UpperKEES on October 18, 2010, 01:52:15 AM

Tournament Results






RankPlayerTotal Score



1.UpperKEES48389
2.ctuna48115
3.Fisherck48103
4.Katra47805
5.L'ythelle46710
6.Izz46165
7.Pezzle46002
8.RandyTravis45081
9.chretip44302
10.Frogger36614*
11.Richie Rich09687*




* Did not finish all maps.


Next weeks theme has been selected by Fisherck and will be: World Records for Running Events (http://knucklecracker.com/forums/index.php?topic=5071).
Title: Re: Weekly history tournament - Notable Fighter Aces of the World - closing Oct. 17
Post by: UpperKEES on October 18, 2010, 11:39:15 AM
As promised my solutions for this tournament:

October 8, 1890
(http://knucklecracker.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5037.0;attach=1612;image)

First build all collectors as indicated and add 4 blasters at the bottom. Fly 2 of them to the emitter to cap it instantly and use the other 2 to clear the lowlands in between. Build 2 collectors to the capping blasters and fly 1 of the other 2 there as well. In the meanwhile start flying OC straight down. Build the last collector to the left and fly OC plus 1 blaster to the final totem and land it in the creeper to charge it.

May 2, 1892
(http://knucklecracker.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5037.0;attach=1614;image)

Build all collectors as indicated and fly OC down to charge the final totem while flying in the air.

September 24, 1920
(http://knucklecracker.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5037.0;attach=1616;image)

Build all collectors as indicated. After that build a SAM (cheap!) and fly it down along with OC to charge the final totem while both stay in the air. You'll have to keep adjusting their destination a couple of times to achieve this; it's a tight fit.

August 18, 1921
(http://knucklecracker.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5037.0;attach=1618;image)

Build all collectors and relays as indicated. Give priority to the relays because this is your longest supply line, so only build an additional collector when you've got enough energy to do so. Again some fancy flying is required to connect OC to the last totem (but easier than the 3rd map).
   
April 19, 1922
(http://knucklecracker.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5037.0;attach=1620;image)

This was my favorite map, as I knew I would be able to gain most time here. First build a few collectors and start building the mortar when 5 collectors have finished (2 up and 3 down). Keep building collectors one by one while the mortar is being built; first the bottom ones and after that the top ones. When the mortar is finished move it to its destination as indicated. The low lands will start to clear and at that time disable ammo packets and disable the mortar. Only let it fire a round when needed (the creeper will start flooding the lowlands on the right). Fly OC to the last totem while the SAM is still being built and finishes just in time to fly along with OC, maintain the connection and charge the totem. When you do this all quick enough the only collector on elevation level 1 will just make it.
Title: Re: Weekly history tournament - Notable Fighter Aces of the World - closing Oct. 17
Post by: Katra on October 18, 2010, 12:59:09 PM
Similar to my solutions except the last. (I moved the city to the peninsula high ground  by where you place the mortar and relayed across the narrows. I did make a 3 collector line to the upgrade farther left along the peninsula - half built the collectors while the city was moving.)

On the first I could never cap the emitter with less than six total blasters. (The two right on the emitter would run out of ammo before I could connect them.)
Title: Re: Weekly history tournament - Notable Fighter Aces of the World - closing Oct. 17
Post by: UpperKEES on October 18, 2010, 01:11:49 PM
Quote from: Katra on October 18, 2010, 12:59:09 PM
Similar to my solutions except the last. (I moved the city to the peninsula high ground  by where you place the mortar and relayed across the narrows. I did make a 3 collector line to the upgrade farther left along the peninsula - half built the collectors while the city was moving.)

That's exactly what I did initially (although I used a SAM + 2 collectors instead of a relay). I noticed however that I lost quite some time flying to my initial location and also needed more energy to build multiple units simultaneously, so I decided to land sooner. I bridged with a SAM to the top part and improved my score, but noticed I didn't need bridging at all when I would be quick enough.

Quote from: Katra on October 18, 2010, 12:59:09 PM
On the first I could never cap the emitter with less than six total blasters. (The two right on the emitter would run out of ammo before I could connect them.)

When capping an emitter with paratroopers (disconnected blasters) you have to make sure they don't get distracted by surrounding creeper, so placement is very important. I always land these paratroopers at a location where they can reach as little lower terrain as possible, so they solely concentrate on the emitter. In that case 2 is enough (and a third one a few seconds later). I also disable the blasters one by one when the area is cleared so they don't waste energy, because 1 is enough to cap. Finally it also helped that OC was already flying downwards at that time, which speeds up the building of the connecting collectors.