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Misc. => Builder's Corner => Topic started by: Grauniad on January 06, 2014, 04:08:36 PM

Title: Keyboards
Post by: Grauniad on January 06, 2014, 04:08:36 PM
While I"m pretty much in love with my mechanical keyboard (http://gaming.logitech.com/en-us/product/g710plus-mechanical-gaming-keyboard), not everyone wants to pay that kind of price (upwards of $70 and the sky is the limit) for a keyboard.

Newegg's Deal of the day for today (January 6th, 2014) includes a Sharkoon gaming keyboard (http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx?cm_sp=ShellShocker-_-23-794-002-_-01062014_3) that has nice positive reviews for just $20 and free shipping. Sounds good.

Title: Re: Keyboards
Post by: Clean0nion on January 06, 2014, 04:40:56 PM
Holy cow, that mechanical keyboard is awesome! But it's expensive.
Title: Re: Keyboards
Post by: Grauniad on January 06, 2014, 04:45:25 PM
They're available for under US$100. and sometimes specials come along.  A good friend, a long time ago gave me the excellent advice to "never pay retail."

There are also, of course, much more expensive keyboards, such as Das Keyboard (http://shop.daskeyboard.com/collections/products/mechanical-keyboards), who for some reason think their "ultimate" keyboard should ship with blank keys.
Title: Re: Keyboards
Post by: knucracker on January 06, 2014, 04:46:28 PM
Sold.... (on that Sharkoon)
I always need another keyboard, or so it seems.

Title: Re: Keyboards
Post by: Grauniad on January 06, 2014, 04:48:04 PM
Quote from: virgilw on January 06, 2014, 04:46:28 PM
Sold.... (on that Sharkoon)
I always need another keyboard, or so it seems.



Thought you might be interested. Hope you'll let us know how it works out for you. $20 isn't that much to pay on the off-chance that it works well.

Edit. Actually, on second thoughts, I bought one for the family PC. That MS keyboard is getting a bit old. And it cost $20 also. :)
Title: Re: Keyboards
Post by: Clean0nion on January 06, 2014, 04:51:31 PM
Quote from: Grauniad on January 06, 2014, 04:45:25 PM
There are also, of course, much more expensive keyboards, such as Das Keyboard (http://shop.daskeyboard.com/collections/products/mechanical-keyboards), who for some reason think their "ultimate" keyboard should ship with blank keys.
No inscriptions? Only 104 keys? Two Windows button for twice as much accidental Window-mashing when the G170 has an option to prevent that? Measurements in inches?
The G170 makes a much better case of itself...
Title: Re: Keyboards
Post by: Grauniad on January 06, 2014, 05:01:35 PM
Lifehacker (not the most authoritative site IMHO) has these 5 mechanical keyboards (http://lifehacker.com/five-best-mechanical-keyboards-1478307228) as the top 5. I think the Ducky models look interesting
Title: Re: Keyboards
Post by: Blaze on January 06, 2014, 09:07:01 PM
Luckily I've taken good care of my keyboard and am not in need of another.
Granted, I'll definitely bookmark that Mechanical Keyboard for when I do need one...

I did want to get a mechanical keyboard in the first place but the one I wanted was sold out everywhere at the time.
It was the Razer keyboard in that top 5 list. I settled for the Arctosa.
Title: Re: Keyboards
Post by: Grauniad on January 06, 2014, 11:22:17 PM
Well, with CES on, not even keyboards are escaping innovation. Anand is reporting on the Corsair MX RGB (http://www.anandtech.com/show/7617/corsair-at-ces-2014-the-mx-rgb-project) (currently a prototype).

A mechanical keyboard with full RGB backlighting on every individual key.

(http://images.anandtech.com/doci/7617/Corsair%20-%20Cherry%20MX%20RGB%20-%208_678x452.jpg) (http://www.anandtech.com/Gallery/Album/3295)

Click image for the gallery view.
Title: Re: Keyboards
Post by: Cavemaniac on January 06, 2014, 11:43:17 PM
Quote from: Clean0nion on January 06, 2014, 04:40:56 PM
Holy cow, that mechanical keyboard is awesome! But it's expensive.

I've worked in retail long enough to offer these words of wisdom:

You tend to get to get what you pay for.

I often use car analogies to help people understand what they're getting for their money.

If a mechanical keyboard is the 'Mercedes' of the keyboard world, then normal keyboards are more like a Mitsubishi.

There's nothing wrong with Mitsubishis - they do much the same job as a Mercedes, but a Mitsubishi will never be a Mercedes.

As a rule, the Mercedes is better designed, better engineered and built from better materials, giving better performance and comfort over their lifespan.

So you'll pay more.

But never lose sight of this: not everyone has a Mercedes, not everyone needs a Mercedes.

Says the guy who drives a 17 year old Toyota.  
Title: Re: Keyboards
Post by: Grauniad on January 08, 2014, 02:57:52 PM
Well, then I wonder what this keyboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA3NY1847536) would be like? It's on sale at Newegg with no reviews.  THe newegg bundle offers the keyboard, a mouse and a mousepad for $50 and free shipping. A similar keyboard on Amazon has generally positive reviews (http://www.amazon.com/SI859-Illuminated-Ergonomic-Multimedia-Keyboard/dp/B00A1Y2STQ).

(http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/ProductImageCompressAll300/A3NY_1303122411032800009TDCAF2lcW.jpg)(http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/ProductImageCompressAll300/A3NY_130312241101280000mLfU1VsSKz.jpg)

It does seem as if it may be a mechanical keyboard, but even if not, then the deal seems to be a very good deal. If I didn't order yesterday's keyboard, I might give this one a try - just to see how it is.
Title: Re: Keyboards
Post by: knucracker on January 08, 2014, 03:20:23 PM
It almost had me.... then I started looking at the keys.  I wondered where the backslash / pipe key went.  Searching around I found this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvdSdoXuWY4&t=92

Why do companies do this?  Why do they put fatal flaws on keyboards?  Take a look at the successor to the comfort curve 2000, the 3000 model:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823109245

Zoom in on the delete and insert keys.  Why?  I guess they decided you don't need to use an insert key much so lets move it where the PrtScn/SysRq key is.  Then move the PrtScrn key where the Pause/Break key is.  Then just forget Pause/Break ever existed.  'Slow clap'.... genius
Title: Re: Keyboards
Post by: Cavemaniac on January 08, 2014, 04:21:50 PM
Could be worse - ever try typing on a Turkish keyboard?!

(Anthropological note: I love  turkey and the Turks, but I struggle with the 'I' key on their keyboards!)

I grew up with US keyboards, lived in the UK for eight years and totally converted, then came back to NZ where we use the US keyboard.

Small difference, but occasionally you get lost (the biggest difference is the absence of the £ key and the " being elsewhere).
Title: Re: Keyboards
Post by: teknotiss on January 08, 2014, 04:38:40 PM
Quote from: Cavemaniac on January 08, 2014, 04:21:50 PM
Could be worse - ever try typing on a Turkish keyboard?!

(Anthropological note: I love  turkey and the Turks, but I struggle with the 'I' key on their keyboards!)

I grew up with US keyboards, lived in the UK for eight years and totally converted, then came back to NZ where we use the US keyboard.

Small difference, but occasionally you get lost (the biggest difference is the absence of the £ key and the " being elsewhere).

don't forget the ~ is in a dif place too!  ;)
and i got a Sumvison keyboard recently, for about £20, that has backlit keys in red, blue OR purple woooo!
actually i'm very happy with it, it's got nice resistance and a satisfying sound (which are important to me, i dislike the silent ones, especially the contact point style ones) and it's taken being sat on by my cat with no probs, which is nice  ::)
Title: Re: Keyboards
Post by: Grauniad on January 08, 2014, 08:02:22 PM
Well, my Sharkoon Skiller keyboard arrived today (thanks to my Shoprunner free 2-day shipping).

I must say I had higher hopes, but then it's only a $20 keyboard, so I should not have expected more. It's not backlit, which I thought it should be, but clearly it didn't say that anywhere, so I don't know why I thought it would be.

The keys are a little mushy - but then, I'm accustomed to the crisp feel of a mechanical keyboard and all dome keys would feel that way. The other tester in my family like it more than I do. Not sure it will replace the Microsoft ergonomic keyboard we're using on the family PC, but time will tell.

Interestingly enough, it has buttons on the keyboard to power the PC down, or put it in sleep mode. I don't like that, but again, other family members think "it's cool."

Basically I think it's $20 not wisely spent.

Now over to you Virgil.
Title: Re: Keyboards
Post by: knucracker on January 08, 2014, 09:15:37 PM
Mine was shipped via pack mule and has just departed California with an estimated deliver on the 14th.
Title: Re: Keyboards
Post by: Grauniad on January 08, 2014, 09:33:23 PM
ha ha ha I did offer you a Shoprunner referral... :P
Title: Re: Keyboards
Post by: Grauniad on January 13, 2014, 12:45:32 PM
On a lighter note, NeweggFlash has this bamboo keyboard. Hurry, since it's a limited time deal at $60.

(http://knucklecracker.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=15118.0;attach=16808;image) (http://www.neweggflash.com/Product/9SIA3NY19X6812)
Title: Re: Keyboards
Post by: knucracker on January 13, 2014, 02:02:18 PM
My keyboard arrived on Saturday 'ahead' of schedule actually.
It's ok.  I can use it.  That isn't much of a glowing endorsement, but for keyboards these days it is about as good as it gets.

The buttons all around the edges are probably nice, but I won't ever  program them for anything.  I use the calc button on my current keyboard, that's all.  Unfortunately they put it on the left side of the keyboard rather than over the number pad on this new keyboard.  That's just a case of not thinking things through on their part.

The biggest complaint I have about it is the emblem at the bottom on the wrist rest.  My palm has to rest there, so the indentation and different textures are not welcome.  I guess it looks pretty, but right where you put your wrist/palm?  Come on....

My second biggest complaint is the relocated backslash, the enlarges enter key, and the small backspace.  I use backspace a LOT.  I even use backslash from time to time.

The nicest thing about the keyboard?  The price was excellent and for a non mechanical keyboard the key feel is ok.
Title: Re: Keyboards
Post by: Grauniad on January 13, 2014, 02:11:53 PM
I found the WASD keys were really soggy. I'm on the verge to replace it with the old MS ergonomic one again.
Title: Re: Keyboards
Post by: Grauniad on January 14, 2014, 09:15:19 PM
This is an outlier - either a pinnacle, the apex or the nadir of keyboard design.  The NZXT limited-edition Ducky 3 keyboard.  The video alone makes it worth watching.

https://store.nzxt.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=KB-SHINE
Title: Re: Keyboards
Post by: knucracker on January 19, 2014, 07:40:21 PM
Talks mostly about laptops but still some good points:
http://arstechnica.com/staff/2014/01/stop-trying-to-innovate-keyboards-youre-just-making-them-worse/
Title: Re: Keyboards
Post by: DarthVader12 on January 20, 2014, 10:36:09 PM
I use this keyboard for gaming:
(http://snpi.dell.com/snp/images/products/mv_large/27_331-6404.JPG) (http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=331-6404)

I like it because of the multimedia volume buttons and there is a space in between each key that helps me from misclicking in game.
Title: Re: Keyboards
Post by: Grauniad on January 31, 2014, 01:05:52 PM
Today until 2/6/2014, Newegg has a 20% off deal (with promo code EMCPWGW84) on Rosewill mechanical keyboards (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007651%2050002177%20600482671%204803&IsNodeId=1&name=Discount%20Item&Order=PRICE&Pagesize=20). That's pretty sweet.

If I was Virgil, I'd kick that Sharkoon to the curb  (or at least to a 2nd tier PC) and get one of these sweet babies.

Incidentally, I believe there is a very close relationship between Rosewil and Newegg. I don't recall now, but I think it may be that Rosewil is a manufacturing label for Newegg - or something like that.
Title: Re: Keyboards
Post by: Grayzzur on January 31, 2014, 04:43:44 PM
Pay attention to the key layout. I see one of those with the backslash up between + and backspace, instead of to the right of ].

Yes, I believe Rosewill is Newegg's peripheral brand name.
Title: Re: Keyboards
Post by: MadMag on January 31, 2014, 05:23:31 PM
I still use and love my old G19 (With color LCD screen witch I use a lot)
Title: Re: Keyboards
Post by: Clean0nion on January 31, 2014, 05:38:30 PM
I can guarantee you all that my keyboard is far better than all of yours combined - after all, it cost me £250, and that's how logic works, right?
Spoiler
(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/HP-Pavillion-G-Series-g6-in-Red-bargain-VGC-with-mains-charger-Windows-7-/00/s/MTU0OVgxNjAw/z/qUMAAOxyA4ZROchR/$T2eC16F,!zUE9s38-OWlBROchQrG9!~~60_35.JPG)
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Title: Re: Keyboards
Post by: Karsten75 on March 10, 2014, 12:17:04 PM
Spring break project: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEEzQKJfNE0
Title: Re: Keyboards
Post by: knucracker on May 01, 2014, 03:03:03 PM
Don't think we've mentioned this one yet:
http://codekeyboards.com/
Title: Re: Keyboards
Post by: Asbestos on May 01, 2014, 07:28:30 PM
Pfft. I only use the on-screen keyboard. It's probably better than any of yours. It's so ergonomic you don't even have to touch it directly, and it's aligned with the screen so much that it actually is on the screen.
Title: Re: Keyboards
Post by: tornado on May 02, 2014, 02:01:08 AM
My keyboard is a hand me down from my dad
It a nice gaming keyboard that has light up keys
It also has about 18 extra keys which I can't keybind
Because if I do they auto set to the f-keys
Apart from that a perfectly fine keyboard and a good
Old one too.aprently you can pour a cup of water into
one of those old things.
I have not felt the need to test this.