Now, the obvious answer is "it depends" and if that is your answer, maybe elaborate on what it depends on.
I will hold off until until I have a totem. Timing a forge build to coincide with the first totem hook-up seems like a good time, unless the totems are easily accessible.
It is a significant energy sink to build, so I think if it is done to early it will limit your expansion.
Any other thoughts or tips?
Unless I really need to put all my packets into reactors/weapons, I build it as soon as I can connect to a totem.
Quote from: Harkler on October 11, 2013, 08:13:42 PM
Unless I really need to put all my packets into reactors/weapons, I build it as soon as I can connect to a totem.
Yep - timing is everything.
You can cripple your energy economy by 'wasting' energy building a forge too early - the packets could have gone to collectors and reactors to create more energy.
Still, 'as early as possible' is still my strategy as it can take a long time to get enough aether to do anything useful/fun - so an early start is a good idea.
Helpful Hint: Always check a map to see if it actually
has any totems! Some DMD maps and custom maps simply don't, so don't take it for granted. And some maps are so brief that there's no point constructing a forge - the packets and time can be better spent elsewhere.
Quote from: RockyRaccoon on October 11, 2013, 08:08:24 PM
Now, the obvious answer is "it depends" and if that is your answer, maybe elaborate on what it depends on.
I will hold off until until I have a totem. Timing a forge build to coincide with the first totem hook-up seems like a good time, unless the totems are easily accessible.
It is a significant energy sink to build, so I think if it is done to early it will limit your expansion.
Any other thoughts or tips?
Generally, never. If I'm really struggling, I think "Wow I'm terrible... have I missed something?" then I remember to use the forge. So I don't use it unless I remember to.
Pretty much every level I play crucially depends on me getting the first level or 2 of the 'Energy efficiency' upgrade as soon as possible. I generally upgrade this to level 3 or 4, unless the level allows for a lot of room to build.
Secondly, I focus on 'Fire rate' and then 'Fire range' (2 or 3 levels or so).
Thirdly, I go for the 'Packet speed'.
Anything after that is just gravy and not important to finishing the level (I often forget about the forge and then see 500 or 1000 unused points).
what i choose to use the forge for is too variable for this thread, but when i build it isn't, generally i don't start the forg til i have about 15/20 reactors.
when it's building i want it to not interfere with other construction.
also i'm careful on maps with a ton of totems, the combined usage of 25 totems + forge can cripple even a powerful energy network ;)
I build the Forge as soon as I get enough extra energy unless the mission either requires early weapons, lacks space for the Collector network, has no Aether (or has some, but too far) or offers opportunity for cheese.
I always start with a few levels of energy efficiency depending on how much my Collectors bring in. Then fire range, fire rate, packet speed and build speed. Then some ore efficiency if the mission allows. And if the mission has fluctuating energy depense (tons of spores, for example) or I use Guppies, I upgrade energy storage for peak use.
Always no later than 10 minutes for me.
Depends on when I can get to a totem and how much energy I've got. If there's more than one totem on the map, I sometimes wait until I've got two. The totems don't draw power until there's a forge to receive their aether, after all.
I usually build a forge soon after I first engage the creeper, I also usually wait until I have two or more totems.
If i starts on a map and don't even have a single totem then I don't bother with a forge until i secure two or more.
I build a forge with one totem secured if it's a tough level, but beyond that, I don't bother with it.
I build it when I have a totem linked up, I'm not in immediate danger from the creeper, and I'm not able to spend all my energy on collectors. First upgrade for me is usually energy efficiency.
I normally try to get one pretty fast, if I can use it. that forge saved my life once.
I was trapped in a corner, out of energy (I was not really trying), built it, and slowly got more energy, and DESTORYED ALL THE ORANGE GOOP (I was a little bored)
Quote from: Cavemaniac on October 11, 2013, 09:18:58 PM
Helpful Hint: Always check a map to see if it actually
has any totems! Some DMD maps and custom maps simply don't, so don't take it for granted. And some maps are so brief that there's no point constructing a forge - the packets and time can be better spent elsewhere.
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You should always check a map to see what it has in the 1st place not just any totems.
Now how long before i build one? About a minute after i have build a good defensive line that is holding the creeper back with full power being generated and no lost of power. If i notice that the power is dropping i deactivate it and build another reactor or two.
Usually shortly after I've started building reactors. The forge usually gets the build order after the second or fourth reactor is complete, depending on how many totems I expect to feed. I might delay it longer if I don't think I really need it immediately, though this is rare as I generally like to get at least one Range or Movespeed upgrade ASAP, since it greatly helps my Mortars and Strafers perform, respectively.
I build the forge quite late in the game. I always get the creeper in "check" before building it. Then i upgrade Energy or ore, and then i build more cannons/sprayers to get to the emitters.
I usually build it when I've at least got a totem, and a PZ. Yeah, I know it's a waste, but it pretty much doubles the aether rate (I think), and it usually uses up a PZ that'd be wasted on a reactor in the end game. Getting about 3 more energy isn't really a lot when you've got 250+. :P
Quote from: Jackeea on November 08, 2013, 10:01:12 PM
I usually build it when I've at least got a totem, and a PZ. Yeah, I know it's a waste, but it pretty much doubles the aether rate (I think), and it usually uses up a PZ that'd be wasted on a reactor in the end game. Getting about 3 more energy isn't really a lot when you've got 250+. :P
The forge has no PZ advantage. It will gain the same amount of aether where ever you put it. Use it for berthas instead, as they gain a 6x efficiency boost.
Quote from: Harkler on November 08, 2013, 11:32:07 PM
Quote from: Jackeea on November 08, 2013, 10:01:12 PM
I usually build it when I've at least got a totem, and a PZ. Yeah, I know it's a waste, but it pretty much doubles the aether rate (I think), and it usually uses up a PZ that'd be wasted on a reactor in the end game. Getting about 3 more energy isn't really a lot when you've got 250+. :P
The forge has no PZ advantage. It will gain the same amount of aether where ever you put it. Use it for berthas instead, as they gain a 6x efficiency boost.
It doesn't? I thought that the aether got to the forge faster, or more was made, or something. And berthas, yeah, they do get a pretty good efficiency boost, but to be honest, I rarely use them, they just don't seem like a lot of use to me. ._.
Quote from: Jackeea on November 09, 2013, 12:19:30 PM
It doesn't? I thought that the aether got to the forge faster, or more was made, or something. And berthas, yeah, they do get a pretty good efficiency boost, but to be honest, I rarely use them, they just don't seem like a lot of use to me. ._.
Whaaaat ??? Bethas are awesome, and massively useful even without a PZ, great for keeping density down and aiding an advance. with the PZ they are devastating, and make even really hard maps easily doable, if you can power them. i love berthas! :D