I think that cw needs a differnt map rating system, anyone agree? There are too many people who just go around and give every map they see a 1. it's so annoying! Maybe you can only rate a map after you've beaten it?
The only way to limit rating to after you've beat it is sadly to code it into the game upon completion. also, don't take the rating too seriously, what you should look at is the comments ;)
We've had hundreds of discussions about this (click 'Search'). It just won't happen.
I still think rating should be limited to people who have beaten a map, or at least people with accounts! any idiot can logg on, go to all the custom maps, and click "one" my most recent map had two scores of 5/5, then someone came on and gave it a 1, and brought the score down to 3.67
Well i think it might work better if they had to make an comment to rate the map ,
but i do like that the map can be rated without doing so ,
i just wished that low raters would comment why they do so =P
Hopefully CW2 will have a better, more efficient map system than CW1.
Features:
- Can easily moderate comments for your own maps.
- Profanity is censored.
- Account login in order to comment/rate maps.
- Accounts are separate from the forum. I dislike the current system that spams the forum with maps, tbh.
- Maps can be edited after upload. But all comments and ratings are deleted.
- Map descriptions can be edited after upload.
I swear there are people that give maps a 1/5 just because they feel like it. I don't think they even look at the maps half the time.
Cw2 sounds a lot better in tha case! Lol
Hopefully CW2 will have a better, more efficient? map system than CW1.
Features:
- Can easily moderate comments for your own maps. So who's going to moderate it, do you think someone has enough time to check the hundreds of comments made each day. Or will the mapmaker do it himself so he can delete all bad comments.
- Profanity is censored. And how?
- Account login in order to comment/rate maps. Well yeah, I can live with that, you already have to log in to comment so that might be alright.
- Accounts are separate from the forum. I dislike the current system that spams the forum with maps, tbh. That's why it's a sub-board, so you don't have to look at it and just ignore it. Just don't click and you'll be happy which is much better than needing to login and register twice.
- Maps can be edited after upload. But all comments and ratings are deleted. So you did your best to post a score, you changed your tactic to squeeze out every second, you spent day and night figuring out where to build that blaster which upgrade to choose and then pooof... The map editor didn't like the background, thought it was a little to hard, wanted that top-score once again or just saw the ratings sucked and he got some bad comments and decided to delete it. FUN ;D
- Map descriptions can be edited after upload. That'd be nice indeed.
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Features:
- Can easily moderate comments for your own maps. Nah dont think so .
- Profanity is censored. There is an report button for this .
- Account login in order to comment/rate maps. An forum account should be enought .
- Accounts are separate from the forum. I dislike the current system that spams the forum with maps, tbh. Sorry i like making maps =P
- Maps can be edited after upload. But all comments and ratings are deleted. Nah dont think so .
- Map descriptions can be edited after upload. That would be really nice =D
I think the space for descriptions should be larger personally.
Quote from: Ebon_Heart on March 17, 2011, 03:55:22 PM
I think the space for descriptions should be larger personally.
You can use the comments for that , like UpperKEES has for his maps .
Features:
- Can easily moderate comments for your own maps. There also can be a few designated moderators for map comments.
- Account login in order to comment/rate maps.
- Accounts are separate from the forum. I dislike the current system that spams the forum with maps, tbh.
- Map descriptions can be edited after upload.
These are the main reasons I would like to have a new system for CW2 Maps. I dislike the CW1 way of map submission.
Quote from: SPIFFEN on March 17, 2011, 04:01:21 PM
Quote from: Ebon_Heart on March 17, 2011, 03:55:22 PM
I think the space for descriptions should be larger personally.
You can use the comments for that , like UpperKEES has for his maps .
true... it still gets annoying at times though.
I'm actually satisfied with the system as it is right now.
Sure, I also get my 1 star ratings (probably by people who don't like me, map makers who can't stand the competition and newbies who thought they can beat every map after finishing the CW1 story maps).
I think we haven't seen many bad comments since the comments system moved to the forums and map submittal/approval is pretty fast in my experience.
The only thing I miss is more sort/filter options, but this has also been discussed quite some times and Virgil just likes it the way it is and doesn't want popular maps to get even more popular while good maps that initially missed some attention don't get played at all any more. Of course he has a point there.
The ratings of 1 are what bug me the most. Hence I think it'd be a good idea to only allow people who have beaten the maps to post a rating. So that newbs that can't beat the map the first try won't just rate the map as 1 and move onto an easier map. That, and it will deter jerks who go across the custom maps screen and give allthe recent maps a rating on 1 because they think it's funny
Just forget about it, nobody looks at the ratings. Of course it's nice to have a good rating, but anyone playing maps knows you should look at the comments, so that's what frequent players do. Being a map maker you should also look at these.
Apart from that I think it should also be possible to rate a map that was too boring or annoying to beat. I wouldn't be surprised if the ratings disappear completely for CW 2 maps as they don't have much value.
Quote from: UpperKEES on March 17, 2011, 10:09:38 PM
Just forget about it, nobody looks at the ratings. Of course it's nice to have a good rating, but anyone playing maps knows you should look at the comments, so that's what frequent players do. Being a map maker you should also look at these.
Apart from that I think it should also be possible to rate a map that was too boring or annoying to beat. I wouldn't be surprised if the ratings disappear completely for CW 2 maps as they don't have much value.
If you look at the number of comments on the old system vs. the number of comments on the new system; there are not as many posters. I believe allowing people to comment off-forum is much simpler.
It's just simpler if we have two separate systems and an easier-to-use Custom Maps section.
To avoid abuse you'd still need an account, so that wouldn't matter. The need for 2 accounts would even be a nuisance. I believe still quite some people leave comments, but you can't compare with Dec. 2009 - Jun. 2010 when CW1 was most popular. I've never heard anyone complain about the current Custom Maps section anyway.
Quote from: UpperKEES on March 18, 2011, 01:54:29 AM
To avoid abuse you'd still need an account, so that wouldn't matter. The need for 2 accounts would even be a nuisance. I believe still quite some people leave comments, but you can't compare with Dec. 2009 - Jun. 2010 when CW1 was most popular. I've never heard anyone complain about the current Custom Maps section anyway.
I'm not complaining; I'm just voicing my opinion that it should change. It really needs an overhaul.
Quote from: Ebon_Heart on March 17, 2011, 02:19:22 PM
I think that cw needs a differnt map rating system, anyone agree? There are too many people who just go around and give every map they see a 1. it's so annoying! Maybe you can only rate a map after you've beaten it?
If one can only rate a map after one has beaten the map, don't you think that may in itself skew the map rating to only those players who can complete the map? Rating a map may legitimately express some opinion about the time/effort or complexity of completing a map - such as the ultra-long maps in this search (http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld/viewmaps.php?page=&author=&search=&duration=1).
As a map maker one should probably grow a thick skin - analogous to the random insults leveraged at game makers at gaming forums. Even the best games get some negative comments.
true... even cw has been slammed a few times. (I have no clue how you could hate this game) It's just too bad there's no way to make it so that they need to try the map before rating... it'd be nearly impossible to control.
I think, they should get rid of the rating system of stars, and have only comments. Maybe out of twenty. That way, maybe people could be like 'level movers' so if a level got 5 comments rated 18+/20 that level would be moved to the best section. 4 rates of 15+/20 and it would move to the good section. 3 rates of 14-/20 and it would move to the unapproved. And 3 rates of 7-/20 it would be moved to spam. The unrated levels could all be posted in the User Level section. That would be ideal, In My Opinion.
5 rates of 18/20 or better = Best
4 rates of 15/20 or better = Good
3 rates of 14/20 or worse = Unapproved
3 rates of 7/20 or worse = Spam
New levels should be posted in the User Made Level section. (UML)
And upon request, harder levels could be sent to the Hard Level Section. (HLS)
;D
But then there's the issue of maps that get noticed a lot when first released, so they get more and more popular, while good maps that don't get noticed a Lot, or get haters that can't beat it and give it a 1/20 just die off. Im happy with the way map search works. And a hard level section would be nice... Though not decided by the map editor, every newb thinks their map is expert only.
Funny, I set my first map as 'Easy', but since its release, almost every mention of it I get includes its mislabeled difficulty. :P
Is there a way to search for maps by rating? The value of a rating system depends greatly on three things: how often ratings are entered, how accurately they are entered, and how they help in the decision process. I personally would like to not click on every map to see the ratings. It would be nice to search by rating for any map that has 10 or more ratings. I may have missed the search feature and my apologies if I have.
no, you have not missed it. there was a discousion going on about adding them, and that was how the author search was introduced, but nothing else so far has been
if you had a search based on rating, half the maps on the site wouldn't be played after the first newb downloads it then gives it 1 star because they don't feel like trying to figure it out, or they die their first try.
Quote from: Ebon_Heart on May 04, 2011, 05:21:20 PM
if you had a search based on rating, half the maps on the site wouldn't be played after the first newb downloads it then gives it 1 star because they don't feel like trying to figure it out, or they die their first try.
thats true too... but it could filter it so that only ones with 5 or more rating (good or bad) were counted, and anything below that didn't get sorted, but stayed in the end results.
there's also those who could rate a map from 5 differnt places, just to get their map played more, you know, home computer, cell phone, work computer, friend's computer, etc. etc.
well, that would happen.... but it would get seen through if it was a very bad map, and if its good, well, it doesn't really matter.
true... I think they should just remove the rating system though.
my idea.
1、Map completed, Can give stars.(need to register in order to avoid false)
Because only completed,understand from start to finish,This map is good or bad..
But is not , continuous failure, and then to a star.
2、Classification of the stars, creative, beautiful, difficulty (skill) and overall average scores.
or other (Positive),After all,maps making,is very toilsome.
Similarly,a score is to be prudent.
Current stars,can not see what that means.
3、Difficulty should be decided by the players (majority decision), Not the author.
First upload, it can provide difficulty,after,the decision by the players.
Because, in order to understand, this map for most people, what level.
(but the relative beginner,each map is very difficult,so beginner ,Please play simple.)
For example:
Score Time Total Missions Creative beautiful difficulty(skill)
Total average 5568 40 min 33 sec 2 ★★★☆☆ ★★★☆☆ ★★★★☆
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Rank Player Score Time Total Missions Creative beautiful difficulty(skill)
1 CJY101 6690 29 min 41 sec 1 ★★★★☆ ★★★★★ ★★★★★
2 xxxxxxx 5624 46 min 41 sec 1 ★★★☆☆ ★★★☆☆ ★★★☆☆
3 yyyyyy 5592 47 min 17 sec 4 ★★☆☆☆ ★☆☆☆☆ ★★★★☆
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If the player repeatedly upload scores,average scores of their own stars..
4、In addition to the time the search,need to provide Difficult Search.
Otherwise,more than 4 one thousand maps,From where to find?
5、or cancellation to the stars, only download and Difficult.
6、Annual Ranking? Season Ranking?
Encouragement to the author? or improve the game to attract?
(google translation. good use.)
There will most likely be no further modifications to the Creeper World 1 map rating scheme.
True, but this could be implemented for the CW2 rating system.
We've had so many discussion about this subject that I'm not even going to repeat all arguments. Just do a global forum search on 'rating' and you'll find everything said about this in the past.
Rankings of CW1 maps can be found in this topic: Toplist (http://knucklecracker.com/forums/index.php?topic=3833.0). The list is sortable in many ways; something you may miss on the custom map page. With a little luck Roccologic might also create such an application for CW2, especially when the format stays the same (saving him a lot of work), but I can't speak for him of course.
I think this topic needs to go away... it'll never die, and at this point, it's pointless, unless you want to get some ideas for the cw2 rating system from it... though I would guess that's already pretty much worked out.