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on: November 02, 2012, 03:35:03 am
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I've got a birthday coming up (July 5th for those wondering), and since I don't really want any games this year, I've decided to gun for a new graphics card to get rid of this low performance integrated card that is my current bottle neck.
Sapphire Radeon HD 7770 Is the card I'm looking at, not sure if it's the best so I figured I'd ask here.
I have a 300W supply, I'm pretty sure I'll have to upgrade this, however I don't know where to start with that, but I did read that around 500-600W is a good area to hit.

I'll attach some pictures of the inside of my computer so everyone can give more solid advice.
I'm not taking any risks with this which is why I'll get pictures to post here.
Last thing I want is to buy a card or power supply that won't fit my computer.

Bear in mind my computer is OEM, I don't know if this will have any effect on upgrading it, hoping it won't though.
It was hard enough just to overclock my processor from 2.6 GHz to 4.0 GHz...

First picture is the left half illuminated.
Second picture is the right half illuminated.
Third picture is where I believe the card would be placed, but I am running on around four hours of sleep so I'm not sure.

I tried to take a picture of the label on my power supply, but they came out too blurry every time.
If any other pictures are needed, let me know and I'll get them.
« Last Edit: June 07, 2013, 06:32:27 pm by Blaze »



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Reply #1 on: November 02, 2012, 08:55:32 am
Well if your going to upgrade all of that, throw in some high quality RAM as well or youll just bevlimited by lack of that instead.

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Reply #2 on: November 02, 2012, 11:03:00 am
Hi Blaze.
  I'm a pretty keen amateur computer builder and I spend a lot of time building computers for my family.

Here are some of my observations:

Graphics card. The one you linked is a previous-generation card. You can find  better performance at lower power utilization in the Radeon HD 7000 series. I think I've seen Radeon HD 7750 cards in that price range and they smoke the 6000 series.

I have no opinion on mice or keyboards - I mostly use the cheapest one that suits my needs. If I have to spend money on these, then for keyboards I'd look for a lighted, CherryMX type keyboard. Most modern mice doesn't really need a mousepad, if you do buy one, I guess it's a matter of personal taste, so whatever suits you would be fine.

When upgrading the processor, make sure you get one that is slot-compatible with your existing motherboard and processor, otherwise things will get expensive.

Also investigate your power supply and make sure it has adequate capacity for both the graphics card and the processor.

On the motherboard, you should have a PCIe-x16 2.0 (or 3.0 on newer boards) slot for the graphics card. Not many  cards use or support older slots.

You didn't mention how much memory you have, but generally, if you have little, the best and easiest upgrade is to upgrade memory. If you run a 32-bit OS, then 4GB of memory is nice. If you run a 64-bit OS, then depending on your processor and motherboard, between 8 and 16 is pretty good (and affordable). Make sure once again you investigate your motherboard/processor. Some AMD processors requires triple-channel memory, which means you will install memory in increment of 3. Most Intel boards uses dual-channel, which means you install in increments of 2. A few high-end Intel boards use quad-channel which of course requires increments of 4.

What would be nice is if you could run your Windows Experience Index and post it here. From that we can see which upgrades might give you the best bang for your buck.

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Reply #3 on: November 02, 2012, 02:16:38 pm
Well, as far as memory goes, I have 1tb for the Hard Disk, and 8gb of RAM, which I do plan on upgrading to 16gb, which my computer is capable of.
As for processor upgrades having to be compatible, that is my main concern, as I do not know how to find out what would be compatible.

And as for the Windows Experience Index, I'll update the top post with that, I'll just copy up the whole thing.
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Reply #4 on: November 02, 2012, 02:40:34 pm
From the WEI info you posted, you can see that you have an AMD A6-3650 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics 7.2  which is a pretty decent processor.  It has built-in graphics to a fairly high standard as well. http://shop.amd.com/us/All/Detail/Processor/AD3650WNGXBOX?SearchFacets=category%3AProcessor

Here you can compare the relative performance of other AMD processors having the same socket type: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/socketType.html#id13

If you have 8GB, unless you have a reason to *now* that you are memory constrained, there is no need to upgrade your RAM (which is memory) the 1TB is the hard drive.


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Reply #5 on: November 02, 2012, 04:29:51 pm
I was planning on upgrading my RAM under the assumption that more RAM is always better, that and it's not too expensive to upgrade it.
As my RAM stands now, using the pre-installed gadget for the desktop that shows CPU and RAM memory use, it shows RAM being around 20-30% when idle.

As for my current processor, yes it is very nice, in fact it's one of the reasons I bought this computer, possibly best 500$ I've ever spent with it being fairly powerful for a cheaper price and able to be upgraded, but I want something that is at least 3.00 GHz to exceed the recommended for most/all of the games I play, using the link you provided that have the same socket type, it looks like I'll have to spend around 200$ to get something that is pretty current and meets my standards...

I'll have to keep looking through that list when I have a little bit more time to do so.
I do see that quite a few of them have integrated graphics on them, am I right when I think that installing a separate graphics card will overwrite the integrated one?

Also I want to say thanks for helping me out, I'm apparently the computer person of the house, when really I just know how to use Google, when it comes to stuff like this I don't have the best knowledge on what to look at. :D


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Reply #6 on: November 02, 2012, 05:18:28 pm
8GB ram is enough as is, and you won't notice it in a real world scenario if you get some much faster. The graphics card is just fine, and a friends 6870 still smoke my newer 7770. A 7750 is too small if you want to game at a high-ultra-ish level graphics, even then a 7770 is scraping the bottom. You could go for a 7870, or find a 660TI from nvidia, make sure it's the Ti, or else it's the older/slower card.

The quad core CPU at 2.6ghz is a tad faster then what i currently have, and mine runs most games on high+ just fine, so you'll get a nice pc out of that update :) Just make sure your power supply has the required PCI-E graphics card connectors before buying a card.

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Reply #7 on: November 02, 2012, 05:44:53 pm
Just make sure your power supply has the required PCI-E graphics card connectors before buying a card.

Which is another thing I do not know how to check. :D


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Reply #8 on: November 02, 2012, 08:00:56 pm
They typically look like this, but might also be 8 pins or 6 pins, the loose 2 pins are just for flexibility :)


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Reply #9 on: June 07, 2013, 06:33:35 pm
Reviving this thread for the same purpose instead of making a new one.
Top post updated with the new questions/information, old post is in a spoiler at the top if it's needed.
Pretty sure I made the right choice reviving and reusing this thread, it's the same topic after all.
Starting a new thread for the same thing seemed pointless to me.

Specs of my computer are in the old post spoiler, only thing changed since then is that my Processor is 4.0 GHz instead of 2.6 GHz like it was.
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Reply #10 on: June 07, 2013, 08:11:16 pm
that's a good card, probably go for that myself next, but why not just go for a 750W PSU?
you know you want to add more stuff/more power hungry stuff at some point so make the step now  ;)

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Reply #11 on: June 07, 2013, 08:33:34 pm
that's a good card, probably go for that myself next, but why not just go for a 750W PSU?
you know you want to add more stuff/more power hungry stuff at some point so make the step now  ;)

Find me one that is reasonably priced and I don't see a reason not to.
Right now, looking at budget, I'll (probably) be able to get the card and a power supply.

However this appears to be the only things I'm getting for a long, long time. :D


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Reply #12 on: June 08, 2013, 06:44:37 am
what's reasonable?
this? http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/psus/1297591/corsair-hx850
or... http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/psus/1297615/silver-power-sp-s850m
niether of which i own, but i would consider them both, especially the second one 96 is really good value, so i'd have a bit more of a review search on those models.
hope that helps

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Reply #13 on: June 08, 2013, 07:52:03 am
what's reasonable?
this? http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/psus/1297591/corsair-hx850
or... http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/psus/1297615/silver-power-sp-s850m
niether of which i own, but i would consider them both, especially the second one 96 is really good value, so i'd have a bit more of a review search on those models.
hope that helps

Be very careful. I have a Corsair HX850 in a build I did in 2010 and the PSU is significantly longer than a "standard" ATX PSU, since I believe it is an EPS form factor. I had a devil of a time (cough, Dremel, cough) to make it fit.

@Blaze, rather than take pictures, which is pretty uninformative, look for and find the specifications for the motherboard and power supply. Manufacturer and model number, for a start. They should appear somewhere on both of those.

I bought a Radeon HD 7770 a while back and swapped it out for my Radeon HD 7950 so that I could use the older, more powerful card in a newer build. The HD 7770 is pretty awesome. I do believe that overall Nvidia makes the best price/performance cards lately.

I don't know in which country you are and where you source your components from, it may help with specific recommendations.

Newegg, for instance, has a PSU calculator on their site that may be useful for determining the correct size of PSU. I guess you can use it regardless of where you are located. http://images10.newegg.com/BizIntell/tool/psucalc/index.html

Also, I usually compare performance of components at the Passmark website. They have sections for CPUs and GPUs. http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/

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Reply #14 on: June 08, 2013, 03:12:53 pm
what's reasonable?
this? http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/psus/1297591/corsair-hx850
or... http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/psus/1297615/silver-power-sp-s850m
niether of which i own, but i would consider them both, especially the second one 96 is really good value, so i'd have a bit more of a review search on those models.
hope that helps

Reasonable would be under 50$ seeing as I'm on a tight budget.

@Blaze, rather than take pictures, which is pretty uninformative, look for and find the specifications for the motherboard and power supply. Manufacturer and model number, for a start. They should appear somewhere on both of those.

I bought a Radeon HD 7770 a while back and swapped it out for my Radeon HD 7950 so that I could use the older, more powerful card in a newer build. The HD 7770 is pretty awesome. I do believe that overall Nvidia makes the best price/performance cards lately.

I don't know in which country you are and where you source your components from, it may help with specific recommendations.

Newegg, for instance, has a PSU calculator on their site that may be useful for determining the correct size of PSU. I guess you can use it regardless of where you are located. http://images10.newegg.com/BizIntell/tool/psucalc/index.html

Also, I usually compare performance of components at the Passmark website. They have sections for CPUs and GPUs. http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/

Going with the 7770 as it's right in my price range, and with summer coming up, the fact that it runs cool is very important to me seeing as I can't really afford any extra cooling.
As it stands now, this card would be a huge upgrade from what I have now.
However if you know of a card that is in the same price range and runs cool while performing better, by all means let me know.

As for the Motherboard and Power Supply specs...

Motherboard model number: aahd2-hy
Power Supply model number: E143709

Motherboard doesn't have a manufacturer printed on it, and the power supply is from HP.

I am going to need a power supply with a six pin connector for the 7770.
Since my current one does not have a spare six pin connector, I am going to need a new power supply.
« Last Edit: June 08, 2013, 03:24:34 pm by Blaze »