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Knuckle Cracker => Support => Topic started by: Grauniad on October 08, 2011, 01:30:48 PM

Poll
Question: Vote for up to five forum members that should be chat room moderators
Option 1: MadMag votes: 25
Option 2: UpperkEES votes: 31
Option 3: Kithros votes: 18
Option 4: mthw2vc votes: 18
Option 5: Kamron3 votes: 18
Option 6: Echo51 votes: 7
Option 7: Ebon Heart votes: 11
Option 8: thepenguin votes: 10
Title: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Grauniad on October 08, 2011, 01:30:48 PM
We have added a new role to the forum. Chat room moderators. These people will be able to regulate (to a limited event) activities in the chat room. Ideally these people should be even-tempered and well-regarded members of the community.

Nominations are welcome. For starters I've nominated three people, but feel free to nominate others. You cannot nominate yourself, but you may vote for yourself. If you don't want to be a chat room mod, please let me know and I'll un-nominate you.

After voting has closed, we can add other moderators on an ad-hoc basis.

Edit: Each user has five votes.  I anticipate that we will accommodate at least that many chat room mods to ensure good coverage. It is not necessary to use all of your votes when voting.

Anyone can change their vote. Click "Remove vote" and then you can vote again.
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: UpperKEES on October 08, 2011, 01:32:09 PM
I voted for all 3 of them.
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: MadMag on October 08, 2011, 01:47:09 PM
hehe.. me 2

mth might be a good moderator also.
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Michionlion on October 08, 2011, 01:51:50 PM
its too hard to decide... i say all 3 ;)
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: lich98 on October 08, 2011, 01:55:07 PM
yep all 3
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Grauniad on October 08, 2011, 02:08:48 PM
Quote from: MadMag on October 08, 2011, 01:47:09 PM
mth might be a good moderator also.

mthw2vc has been added. Remember anyone can change their vote and everyone has 3 votes.
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: UpperKEES on October 08, 2011, 03:54:07 PM
It could be a good thing to have 2 mods from Europe and 2 from the US, so the time zones are covered well.
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Grauniad on October 08, 2011, 04:03:35 PM
Nominate away...
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Echo51 on October 08, 2011, 04:13:13 PM
I'll Nominate Kamron3! :D
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Kamron3 on October 08, 2011, 04:13:55 PM
Quote from: Echo51 on October 08, 2011, 04:13:13 PM
I'll Nominate Kamron3! :D

And I'll nominate, Echo51. He's also a regular.
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Grauniad on October 08, 2011, 04:14:51 PM
Quote from: Kamron3 on October 08, 2011, 04:13:55 PM
Quote from: Echo51 on October 08, 2011, 04:13:13 PM
I'll Nominate Kamron3! :D

And I'll nominate, Echo51. He's also a regular.

Added. :)
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: thepenguin on October 08, 2011, 04:52:57 PM
I nominate ebon_heart
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: CobraKill on October 08, 2011, 05:16:05 PM
Quote from: thepenguin on October 08, 2011, 04:52:57 PM
I nominate ebon_heart

He's gone til atleast October 23
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Grauniad on October 09, 2011, 10:14:58 AM
Added Ebon_Heart.
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: lich98 on October 09, 2011, 04:31:55 PM
Quote from: CobraKill on October 08, 2011, 05:16:05 PM
Quote from: thepenguin on October 08, 2011, 04:52:57 PM
I nominate ebon_heart

He's gone til atleast October 23
It still won't hurt to have nominated Ebon_Heart. He was normally a regular, however advanced math classes got in his way.Please see this thread (http://knucklecracker.com/forums/index.php?topic=8239.0).

EDIT: Are the guys in chat happy now?
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Kamron3 on October 09, 2011, 05:12:52 PM
Quote from: UpperKEES on October 08, 2011, 03:54:07 PM
It could be a good thing to have 2 mods from Europe and 2 from the US, so the time zones are covered well.

UpperKEES and MadMag have the European side of the time zones covered. I suggest we vote for me and mth for the US side of the time zones! After all, we *are* in there a lot.

Plus, I have EXPERIENCE unlike the rest of these silly nominations! I've been a chat mod before!

Kidding aside, I actually have been a forum mod and a chat mod before Virgil moved the moderating "in-house" to KC employees and such (Chani and Gr)
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: lich98 on October 09, 2011, 05:13:46 PM
lol
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Colin on October 09, 2011, 08:15:53 PM
Hmmm. . .

Out of the 23 current voters, there should be
a possible 115 vote count, but there are only
a total of 87 votes.

Fascinating.

Of course, UpperKEES is the natural choice.  ;)
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: lich98 on October 09, 2011, 08:28:13 PM
you dind't have to vote 5 times
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Kamron3 on October 09, 2011, 08:29:30 PM
Show your support for me as your Chat Mod by printing off these banners and putting it in your front yard!

Images removed from public forums -G.
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: CobraKill on October 09, 2011, 08:45:53 PM
Quote from: Kamron3 on October 09, 2011, 08:29:30 PM
Show your support for me as your Chat Mod by printing off this banner and putting it in your front yard!

Images removed from public forums -G.

Right now you have 5, KEES has 23...
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Kamron3 on October 09, 2011, 08:49:26 PM
Quote from: CobraKill on October 09, 2011, 08:45:53 PM
Right now you have 5, KEES has 23...

KEES is already a Chat Mod! Your vote is being wasted! Change to Kamron3 today!
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: CobraKill on October 09, 2011, 08:58:28 PM
Quote from: Kamron3 on October 09, 2011, 08:49:26 PM
Quote from: CobraKill on October 09, 2011, 08:45:53 PM
Right now you have 5, KEES has 23...

KEES is already a Chat Mod! Your vote is being wasted! Change to Kamron3 today!

And I should believe you...?
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Kamron3 on October 09, 2011, 09:00:19 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/I4njt.png)

Blue means mod. Black means regular
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Ebon Heart on October 09, 2011, 09:01:13 PM
upon receiving a message from Kamron3 I checked this out... why didn't anyone tell me I was in the running to be a chatmod? lol. I just wanted to make it clear, I will be coming back, and I do intend to spend time in chat like I used to. it's just that right now, we're getting a new batch of LTG's/International Trustees in key club and I'm making bios/helping some International Trustees with websites..... Somehow I got stuck making the website for California's International Trustee? :/
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: CobraKill on October 09, 2011, 09:23:00 PM
Quote from: Kamron3 on October 09, 2011, 09:00:19 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/I4njt.png)

Blue means mod. Black means regular

Ohh... guess to change my vote. (I already had voted for you anyways...)
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Kamron3 on October 09, 2011, 09:27:28 PM
Don't forget! KEES parties on every other weekend, so he's usually unavailable! We can't have that! Vote for me! :P

MadMag's a womanizer, so, well, you know! You can't trust him to always be around on the weekend (or even during the week lol). ;)

Disclaimer: This is friendly political joking
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Ebon Heart on October 09, 2011, 09:34:29 PM
Quote from: Kamron3 on October 09, 2011, 09:27:28 PM
Don't forget! KEES parties on every other weekend, so he's usually unavailable! We can't have that! Vote for me! :P

MadMag's a womanizer, so, well, you know! You can't trust him to always be around on the weekend (or even during the week lol). ;)
And Kamron3's a competitive jerk, so vote for me! lmao.
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Kamron3 on October 09, 2011, 09:39:41 PM
Quote from: Ebon Heart on October 09, 2011, 09:34:29 PM
And Kamron3's a competitive jerk, so vote for me! lmao.

Don't vote for Ebon, he's uh..... he lacks... stuff. ;)

Woo~! Yeah! Vote for me!
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Karsten75 on October 09, 2011, 11:33:49 PM
I think the mods should be responsible people that don't spam threads with junk.
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Kamron3 on October 09, 2011, 11:56:54 PM
Quote from: Karsten75 on October 09, 2011, 11:33:49 PM
I think the mods should be responsible people that don't spam threads with junk.

Yah srsly, Ebon, cut that out! :P
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: UpperKEES on October 10, 2011, 02:25:49 AM
Quote from: Kamron3 on October 09, 2011, 08:49:26 PM
KEES is already a Chat Mod!

Some of the nominated forum members have temporarily been made a chat mod by Grauniad until the final decision is made on October 12.
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: thepenguin on October 10, 2011, 07:51:16 AM
what exactly do chatmods do that is different from normal users?
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: lich98 on October 10, 2011, 08:05:11 AM
Quote from: Kamron3 on October 09, 2011, 11:56:54 PM
Quote from: Karsten75 on October 09, 2011, 11:33:49 PM
I think the mods should be responsible people that don't spam threads with junk.

Yah srsly, Ebon, cut that out! :P
Really Kamron you should stop.
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Michionlion on October 10, 2011, 10:03:49 AM
Quote from: thepenguin on October 10, 2011, 07:51:16 AM
what exactly do chatmods do that is different from normal users?


Umm... mod the chat? maybe? sometimes?
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: thepenguin on October 10, 2011, 10:20:54 AM
Quote from: Michionlion on October 10, 2011, 10:03:49 AM
Quote from: thepenguin on October 10, 2011, 07:51:16 AM
what exactly do chatmods do that is different from normal users?
Umm... mod the chat? maybe? sometimes?

I meant which permissions do they have that are different (delete messages, ban users, etc...)
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Grauniad on October 10, 2011, 10:25:31 AM
Quote from: thepenguin on October 10, 2011, 07:51:16 AM
what exactly do chatmods do that is different from normal users?

From time to time a new member (or even one of the long-time members) goes off the rails and posts a lot of images, rolls the dice excessively, invites other members to join him/her on another website where the inviting member can get points, or any one of a number of other annoying techniques commonly referred to as "spamming chat."

All but the abuse of the dice rolls can be prevented by simply placing the offending member on "ignore." However, the custom in chat rooms is that the offending member should be publicly flogged, hauled through the streets tied to the stocks and then thrown out of the city (chat room). Only a mod can do this. Additionally, mods can rewrite history by deleting past messages, thus pretending something never happened.

In the light of allowing the people their circuses (and yes, I'm mixing metaphors), we have decided that as an experiment, we would allow the citizens of chat to elect their own governors.  If the experiment fails, democracy's tender shoot will be crushed under my authoritarian jackboot (Another mixed metaphor.)

It is also an interesting social experiment. One of the many reasons to frequent online communities. What the experiment shows, is of course dependent on the viewpoint of the observer.
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: thepenguin on October 10, 2011, 10:39:46 AM
Quote from: Grauniad on October 10, 2011, 10:25:31 AM
Quote from: thepenguin on October 10, 2011, 07:51:16 AM
what exactly do chatmods do that is different from normal users?

From time to time a new member (or even one of the long-time members) goes off the rails and posts a lot of images, rolls the dice excessively, invites other members to join him/her on another website where the inviting member can get points, or any one of a number of other annoying techniques commonly referred to as "spamming chat."

All but the abuse of the dice rolls can be prevented by simply placing the offending member on "ignore." However, the custom in chat rooms is that the offending member should be publicly flogged, hauled through the streets tied to the stocks and then thrown out of the city (chat room). Only a mod can do this. Additionally, mods can rewrite history by deleting past messages, thus pretending something never happened.

In the light of allowing the people their circuses (and yes, I'm mixing metaphors), we have decided that as an experiment, we would allow the citizens of chat to elect their own governors.  If the experiment fails, democracy's tender shoot will be crushed under my authoritarian jackboot (Another mixed metaphor.)

It is also an interesting social experiment. One of the many reasons to frequent online communities. What the experiment shows, is of course dependent on the viewpoint of the observer.

In that case, the chatmods are lucky people.
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: lich98 on October 10, 2011, 01:19:57 PM
Quote from: thepenguin on October 10, 2011, 10:39:46 AM
Quote from: Grauniad on October 10, 2011, 10:25:31 AM
Quote from: thepenguin on October 10, 2011, 07:51:16 AM
what exactly do chatmods do that is different from normal users?

From time to time a new member (or even one of the long-time members) goes off the rails and posts a lot of images, rolls the dice excessively, invites other members to join him/her on another website where the inviting member can get points, or any one of a number of other annoying techniques commonly referred to as "spamming chat."

All but the abuse of the dice rolls can be prevented by simply placing the offending member on "ignore." However, the custom in chat rooms is that the offending member should be publicly flogged, hauled through the streets tied to the stocks and then thrown out of the city (chat room). Only a mod can do this. Additionally, mods can rewrite history by deleting past messages, thus pretending something never happened.

In the light of allowing the people their circuses (and yes, I'm mixing metaphors), we have decided that as an experiment, we would allow the citizens of chat to elect their own governors.  If the experiment fails, democracy's tender shoot will be crushed under my authoritarian jackboot (Another mixed metaphor.)

It is also an interesting social experiment. One of the many reasons to frequent online communities. What the experiment shows, is of course dependent on the viewpoint of the observer.

In that case, the chatmods are lucky people.
true indeed
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: thepenguin on October 10, 2011, 01:30:55 PM
Quote from: lich98 on October 10, 2011, 01:19:57 PM
Quote from: thepenguin on October 10, 2011, 10:39:46 AM
Quote from: Grauniad on October 10, 2011, 10:25:31 AM
Quote from: thepenguin on October 10, 2011, 07:51:16 AM
what exactly do chatmods do that is different from normal users?

From time to time a new member (or even one of the long-time members) goes off the rails and posts a lot of images, rolls the dice excessively, invites other members to join him/her on another website where the inviting member can get points, or any one of a number of other annoying techniques commonly referred to as "spamming chat."

All but the abuse of the dice rolls can be prevented by simply placing the offending member on "ignore." However, the custom in chat rooms is that the offending member should be publicly flogged, hauled through the streets tied to the stocks and then thrown out of the city (chat room). Only a mod can do this. Additionally, mods can rewrite history by deleting past messages, thus pretending something never happened.

In the light of allowing the people their circuses (and yes, I'm mixing metaphors), we have decided that as an experiment, we would allow the citizens of chat to elect their own governors.  If the experiment fails, democracy's tender shoot will be crushed under my authoritarian jackboot (Another mixed metaphor.)

It is also an interesting social experiment. One of the many reasons to frequent online communities. What the experiment shows, is of course dependent on the viewpoint of the observer.

In that case, the chatmods are lucky people.
true indeed
I wish  I got nominated  :-\
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: UpperKEES on October 10, 2011, 01:50:13 PM
Quote from: thepenguin on October 10, 2011, 10:39:46 AM
In that case, the chatmods are lucky people.

I believe a good chat mod intervenes as little as possible. Just being in chat should be enough to keep a happy atmosphere. Over the past 2 years we've hardly ever had the need for a chat mod, so it's just in case.

Like a doorman at a club (yes Echo, I like going out ;)) most issues should be solved by talking instead of fighting or other drastic measures.

That said I don't like it when interesting conversations continuously get interrupted by someone obviously trolling and/or spamming, so I won't accept that.

Quote from: Grauniad on October 10, 2011, 10:25:31 AM
Additionally, mods can rewrite history by deleting past messages, thus pretending something never happened.

The log file and the real-time monitor never lie. ;)
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: knucracker on October 10, 2011, 03:06:20 PM
Kamron3 is disqualified for voting fraud.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vote_early_and_vote_often

Any votes cast for Kamron3 will not count.  Since I had to spend time looking at the database, inspecting IP addresses, and cleaning up accounts  I'm not in a particularly peachy mood currently and am mulling over other actions.
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: knucracker on October 10, 2011, 04:15:01 PM
After discussing this with Kamron3, it appears that the flurry of zero post accounts created in the last 24 hours which only voted for him, were in fact people from a school that he campaigned to vote for him.  This doesn't violate any stated conditions of the poll.  Naturally, I prefer for people that will be participating in the chat to elect who they want to moderate the chat, but some of these new users may participate in the chat.

I also realize this could open up the doors for everyone to ask their friends and relative to vote for them.  So be it... but I will at this point make the following addendum to the poll.

I will tabulate the final results and I will only count votes from forum accounts that have some minimum number of posts.  In other words, accounts created just to vote won't end up counting in the results.  New accounts created that are just early, but active, participants in the forums will of course count.

I apologize to Kamron3 for assuming the accounts were personally created by him.  If I had checked the common IP address on all of the accounts I would have seen they all came from the same school.
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Kamron3 on October 10, 2011, 04:34:56 PM
To clarify: am I still disqualified or am I still allowed to run?
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: knucracker on October 10, 2011, 04:47:05 PM
Disqualification is off.  Disdisqualified, or I suppose simply qualified :)
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Shroom Agent 27 on October 10, 2011, 05:46:44 PM
Quote from: virgilw on October 10, 2011, 04:47:05 PM
Disqualification is off.  Disdisqualified, or I suppose simply qualified :)

Okay then. Now, can we get back to the topic of voting and nominating?
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Grauniad on October 10, 2011, 07:03:24 PM
I would suggest that what Kamron did was equivalent to having out-of-town carpetbaggers* come in to vote. Now that this behavior has been exposed, there are two questions that remain.

1. Will he have the chutzpah to still want to be included in the vote?

2. Will the regular members of the forum want to be moderated by someone who was elected by people with no skin in the game?

I call on Kamron to voluntarily withdraw from the election and for all regular forum members to withdraw their votes from Kamron. For those that frequent these forums and want to vote for Kamron, I'd like to hear what they think he brings to the table after this deplorable incident.




*From Merriam-Webster (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/carpetbagger) definition for carpetbagger:
outsider; especially : a nonresident or new resident who seeks private gain from an area often by meddling in its business or politics
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: lich98 on October 10, 2011, 07:27:22 PM
Quote from: Grauniad on October 10, 2011, 07:03:24 PM
I would suggest that what Kamron did was equivalent to having out-of-town carpetbaggers* come in to vote. Now that this behavior has been exposed, there are two questions that remain.

1. Will he have the chutzpah to still want to be included in the vote?

2. Will the regular members of the forum want to be moderated by someone who was elected by people with no skin in the game?

I call on Kamron to voluntarily withdraw from the election and for all regular forum members to withdraw their votes from Kamron. For those that frequent these forums and want to vote for Kamron, I'd like to hear what they think he brings to the table after this deplorable incident.




*From Merriam-Webster (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/carpetbagger) definition for carpetbagger:
outsider; especially : a nonresident or new resident who seeks private gain from an area often by meddling in its business or politics
I don't mid if he runs, infact i say he doesn't need to withdraw. There was a misunderstanding and Virgil said you will have to have a min, number of post to count. No reason that he can't keep himself in.
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Grauniad on October 10, 2011, 07:41:33 PM
Quote from: lich98 on October 10, 2011, 07:27:22 PM
I don't mid if he runs, infact i say he doesn't need to withdraw. There was a misunderstanding and Virgil said you will have to have a min, number of post to count. No reason that he can't keep himself in.

It is clear that my sense of ethical behavior differs from yours. :) The "misunderstanding" was with whether the handles registered to vote belonged to Kamron. As it was, they were not Kamron's, but outsiders he asked to register, specifically to vote on his behalf.

As a chat room user, do you want a mod that was voted on by people that will never be in chat? And why would anyone want to be a mod so badly that they would ask people from school to register purely to vote?
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: lich98 on October 10, 2011, 07:43:20 PM
lol kamron. @grauniad i don't mind that he did that, to me that is the same thing as advertising on TV with real elections
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Kamron3 on October 10, 2011, 07:43:46 PM
Quote from: lich98 on October 10, 2011, 07:43:20 PM
lol kamron. @grauniad i don't mind that he did that, to me that is the same thing as advertising on TV with real elections

I'd like to point out that this is no different than asking a person to register to vote so that they can vote for me in a real election.
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: lich98 on October 10, 2011, 07:44:34 PM
Quote from: Kamron3 on October 10, 2011, 07:43:46 PM
Quote from: lich98 on October 10, 2011, 07:43:20 PM
lol kamron. @grauniad i don't mind that he did that, to me that is the same thing as advertising on TV with real elections

I'd like to point out that this is no different than asking a person to register to vote so that they can vote for me in a real election.
I said the same thing!!
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Fisherck on October 10, 2011, 08:12:20 PM
Quote from: lich98 on October 10, 2011, 07:44:34 PM
Quote from: Kamron3 on October 10, 2011, 07:43:46 PM
Quote from: lich98 on October 10, 2011, 07:43:20 PM
lol kamron. @grauniad i don't mind that he did that, to me that is the same thing as advertising on TV with real elections

I'd like to point out that this is no different than asking a person to register to vote so that they can vote for me in a real election.
I said the same thing!!

Not really. It does not effect the voters in any way. A better comparison would be having someone from Europe come over to the US and vote on the person they want, and then go back to Europe. The end result of the vote does not effect them in any way. :)
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Kamron3 on October 10, 2011, 08:13:46 PM
False, Fish. They were actually previous players of CW:US and a few played CW:TS. Who says they wouldn't have came back? I pitch CW/CW2 to them all the time.

All of them have played CW:US or CW:TS to some extent.
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Trot_Rot on October 10, 2011, 08:43:55 PM
friend of kamron here, he be legit. he nags us to play these all the time.
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: UpperKEES on October 11, 2011, 01:49:29 AM
To me it remains cheating. It doesn't matter if they have played CW:TS or CW:US; they have never joined the forums or chat before and I think it should be the CW community who decides.
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: MadMag on October 11, 2011, 02:43:34 AM
It is cheating, and I will never be modded by Kamron, but that has little to do about the cheating actually.
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Grauniad on October 11, 2011, 09:50:14 AM
Since no-one has nominated ThePenguin, I'll do so... :)
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Kamron3 on October 11, 2011, 10:27:50 AM
Quote from: UpperKEES on October 11, 2011, 01:49:29 AM
To me it remains cheating. It doesn't matter if they have played CW:TS or CW:US; they have never joined the forums or chat before and I think it should be the CW community who decides.

Quote from: MadMag on October 11, 2011, 02:43:34 AM
It is cheating, and I will never be modded by Kamron, but that has little to do about the cheating actually.

Quote from: virgilw on October 10, 2011, 04:15:01 PM
This doesn't violate any stated conditions of the poll.
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Karsten75 on October 11, 2011, 10:54:14 AM
Quote from: Kamron3 on October 11, 2011, 10:27:50 AM
Quote from: UpperKEES on October 11, 2011, 01:49:29 AM
To me it remains cheating. It doesn't matter if they have played CW:TS or CW:US; they have never joined the forums or chat before and I think it should be the CW community who decides.

Quote from: MadMag on October 11, 2011, 02:43:34 AM
It is cheating, and I will never be modded by Kamron, but that has little to do about the cheating actually.

Quote from: virgilw on October 10, 2011, 04:15:01 PM
This doesn't violate any stated conditions of the poll.

But it violated every implied condition. And you know it you little unethical cheat. I was on these boards when you were a mod and I well remember how badly you did that job. The people that are voting for you are all newbies or your cronies that never expect to be on here and to be moderated by you.
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Kamron3 on October 11, 2011, 10:58:55 AM
Quote from: Karsten75 on October 11, 2011, 10:54:14 AM
But it violated every implied condition. And you know it you little unethical cheat. I was on these boards when you were a mod and I well remember how badly you did that job. The people that are voting for you are all newbies or your cronies that never expect to be on here and to be moderated by you.

I think you're just a little butthurt, bro. And what implied conditions? I did not violate any rule of this poll.
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: UpperKEES on October 11, 2011, 01:45:14 PM
Quote from: Kamron3 on October 11, 2011, 10:58:55 AM
I did not violate any rule of this poll.

To me this shows you wouldn't be a good mod.

It's not all about the rules themselves, but also about the ethics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics) implied by them. If you aren't capable of understanding these, you're not capable of making appropriate decisions.
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: hi on October 11, 2011, 02:28:03 PM
I'll change my vote to do the closest thing next to voting against Kamron (well almost).
His "cheating" in the vote might be not good, but it is tolerable. But his behaviour, after that came out, is not.

I am not 100% sure what this vote is about. Is it about "voting chat moderators" oder about "checking who the community wants as chat moderators".
I hope it is the later one. Then Kam should not become chat Moderator even when he does ok in the vote.

Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Echo51 on October 11, 2011, 03:08:17 PM
Well, i guess i can't win on just pure charms in this one... So how about 6 free cookies, fresh baked and shipped to your frontdoor with UPS Express, all free of charge in exchange for a vote for me? :D

Remember, a vote for Echo51, is a vote for yummy crunchy cookies ;)


yay post #1000? (thx kees)
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: lich98 on October 11, 2011, 03:30:54 PM
Quote from: Echo51 on October 11, 2011, 03:08:17 PM
Well, i guess i can't win on just pure charms in this one... So how about 6 free cookies, fresh baked and shipped to your frontdoor with UPS Express, all free of charge in exchange for a vote for me? :D

Remember, a vote for Echo51, is a vote for yummy crunchy cookies ;)
no this is bribery and is not accepted in the usa, though it does probley happen. I will not stand for bribes!
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Kamron3 on October 11, 2011, 04:33:12 PM
Quote from: UpperKEES on October 11, 2011, 01:45:14 PM
Quote from: Kamron3 on October 11, 2011, 10:58:55 AM
I did not violate any rule of this poll.

To me this shows you wouldn't be a good mod.

It's not all about the rules themselves, but also about the ethics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics) implied by them. If you aren't capable of understanding these, you're not capable of making appropriate decisions.

This was an ethical decision. I asked if they thought if I would be a good mod on these forums and explained it to them carefully.

One of them was rather sad that he was called a crony by one of the unethical people on these forums, though. ;)
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: lich98 on October 11, 2011, 04:39:36 PM
lol kamron lets move on now new topic
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Shroom Agent 27 on October 11, 2011, 05:13:18 PM
Quote from: CobraKill on October 11, 2011, 05:09:28 PM
I'll say this. I'm not getting into this but I am simply stating my opinion on this matter.

I think what Kamron did is cheating. I think he basically shot himself in the foot wot this move. I will not vote for him because of it. Also I believe he would not make a very good mod. He has done somethings that could easily make a newbie turn their back on this forum (the apple incident comes to mind) I encourage you to make your own decision, but review the facts. Kamron cheated and would not make a good mod.

Kamron don't get mad at me, this is just how I feel.



Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Quote from: lich98 on October 11, 2011, 04:39:36 PM
lol kamron lets move on now new topic

Right.
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Kamron3 on October 11, 2011, 05:13:52 PM
Quote from: CobraKill on October 11, 2011, 05:09:28 PM
I'll say this. I'm not getting into this but I am simply stating my opinion on this matter.

I think what Kamron did is cheating. I think he basically shot himself in the foot wot this move. I will not vote for him because of it. Also I believe he would not make a very good mod. He has done somethings that could easily make a newbie turn their back on this forum (the apple incident comes to mind) I encourage you to make your own decision, but review the facts. Kamron cheated and would not make a good mod.

Kamron don't get mad at me, this is just how I feel.



You can have your opinions.
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: lich98 on October 11, 2011, 05:16:08 PM
First off cool picture bro and second I state again
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Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: lich98 on October 11, 2011, 05:20:20 PM
Quote from: CobraKill on October 11, 2011, 05:18:05 PM
Quote from: Kamron3 on October 11, 2011, 05:13:52 PM
Even if it is unjust hatred.

No it's not hate it's anger at you and your behavior. >:( Can't  you see the signs, no one wants you as chat mod now.

I still am and encourage other to as well, a hasty action was made (like politicans don't do) and it was resolved. I don't think he was cheating. I could just as easily ask a friend to make an account just to get me on the list.(not that I want to) is this cheating?
EDIT: I hience forth ask that this topic of wether or not Kamron3 was cheating and we move pass it. It is over we shall let the comunity decide for them selfs.
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Shroom Agent 27 on October 11, 2011, 05:21:41 PM
Quote from: lich98 on October 11, 2011, 05:20:20 PM
Quote from: CobraKill on October 11, 2011, 05:18:05 PM
Quote from: Kamron3 on October 11, 2011, 05:13:52 PM
Even if it is unjust hatred.

No it's not hate it's anger at you and your behavior. >:( Can't  you see the signs, no one wants you as chat mod now.

I still am and encourage other to as well, a hasty action was made (like politicans don't do) and it was resolved. I don't think he was cheating. I could just as easily ask a friend to make an account just to get me on the list.(not that I want to) is this cheating?

Depends on how people interpret cheating.
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: lich98 on October 11, 2011, 05:26:40 PM
Quote from: CobraKill on October 11, 2011, 05:25:06 PM
Quote from: Shroom Agent 27 on October 11, 2011, 05:21:41 PM
Quote from: lich98 on October 11, 2011, 05:20:20 PM
Quote from: CobraKill on October 11, 2011, 05:18:05 PM
Quote from: Kamron3 on October 11, 2011, 05:13:52 PM
Even if it is unjust hatred.

No it's not hate it's anger at you and your behavior. >:( Can't  you see the signs, no one wants you as chat mod now.

I still am and encourage other to as well, a hasty action was made (like politicans don't do) and it wasresolved. I don't think he was cheating. I could just as easily ask a friend to make an account just to get me on the list.(not that I want to) is this cheating?

Depends on how people interpret cheating.

Either way it's unfair to others. I'm not voting for him and I encourae others to do so. Either way, I'm done. I'm not going to discuss my opinion any more, at least not openly.
great who wants to talk about how fun chat acually is?
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Kamron3 on October 11, 2011, 05:27:11 PM
Quote from: CobraKill on October 11, 2011, 05:25:06 PM
Either way it's unfair to others. I'm not voting for him and I encourae others to do so. Either way, I'm done. I'm not going to discuss my opinion any more, at least not openly.

Everyone had the same opportunity to ask friends to vote. I did not have any advantage over any other member of the forums in that regard.
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: lich98 on October 11, 2011, 05:29:02 PM
Quote from: lich98 on October 11, 2011, 05:20:20 PM
Quote from: CobraKill on October 11, 2011, 05:18:05 PM
Quote from: Kamron3 on October 11, 2011, 05:13:52 PM
Even if it is unjust hatred.

No it's not hate it's anger at you and your behavior. >:( Can't  you see the signs, no one wants you as chat mod now.

I still am and encourage other to as well, a hasty action was made (like politicans don't do) and it was resolved. I don't think he was cheating. I could just as easily ask a friend to make an account just to get me on the list.(not that I want to) is this cheating?
EDIT: I hience forth ask that this topic of wether or not Kamron3 was cheating and we move pass it. It is over we shall let the comunity decide for them selfs.
Quote from: Kamron3 on October 11, 2011, 05:27:11 PM
Quote from: CobraKill on October 11, 2011, 05:25:06 PM
Either way it's unfair to others. I'm not voting for him and I encourae others to do so. Either way, I'm done. I'm not going to discuss my opinion any more, at least not openly.

Everyone had the same opportunity to ask friends to vote. I did not have any advantage over any other member of the forums in that regard.
Look at the quote by me ic ould hae asked a freiend to recommend me as a chat mod, I didn't but i could have now lets move on...
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: CobraKill on October 11, 2011, 05:47:19 PM
Agreed. To change the subject, chat is awesome! Unless there is more then four people... ;)

EDIT: Kamron has said he is sorry and feels bad about what he did. He also is upset about all the negative posts about him. I really think we should cut him some slack.
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: thepenguin on October 11, 2011, 09:00:11 PM
Quote from: CobraKill on October 11, 2011, 05:47:19 PM
EDIT: Kamron has said he is sorry and feels bad about what he did.

then I recomend that he do something to fix it.
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Grauniad on October 11, 2011, 09:04:44 PM
Let us all focus on the nomination and proposal for legitimate chat room moderators. No more solicitation of votes. If you want to be a chat room mod, I suggest you solicit votes in chat.
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Colin on October 11, 2011, 09:31:01 PM
I think you're all blowing this waaay out of
proportion. Its not like this is a presidential
campaign, this is a "call for chat room
moderators".

The whole point of a chat mod will be to
reduce instances like this, and drama in
the Chat room.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions.
HOWEVER, THE AMOUNT of their opinions
they state is what differs from most people.

Cool off. Take a walk.* Vote for who you
want, and that is your vote, not someone
else, yours.

*(Edit: Also forgot to add: play Creeper World.)
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: CobraKill on October 11, 2011, 10:39:40 PM
Quote from: thepenguin on October 11, 2011, 09:00:11 PM
Quote from: CobraKill on October 11, 2011, 05:47:19 PM
EDIT: Kamron has said he is sorry and feels bad about what he did.

then I recomend that he do something to fix it.

In due time.
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: weekendgamer on October 12, 2011, 05:48:31 AM
Even though Asians make up only a small minority in the Creeper Nation, someone should nominate a user that is in an Asian time zone to cover a gap that we have. With these nominees, someone will have to stay up 'till almost midnight in order to moderate the other side of the world's time. He doesn't need to be online all the time, right? Just often enough to ward-off any spammers.
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Grauniad on October 12, 2011, 05:57:43 AM
It is a case of "if a tree falls in the woods and there is no-one to hear it, does it still make a sound?"  A lone spammer in chat is of little consequence. There is no need for 24hr monitoring. But if you know a Asean-based member, please feel free to nominate them. All nominations of well-known members (by well-known members) will be considered.
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: mthw2vc on October 12, 2011, 06:10:53 AM
I wasn't aware there was anything wrong with staying up until midnight... :P
I don't think I've ever seen more than one other person in chat during that timeframe, and scheduling isn't very difficult provided a European mod can be convinced to awaken at a reasonable hour... ;)
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: knucracker on October 13, 2011, 12:19:51 PM
I have tabulated the final scores.  I discarded any votes from forum members that had 0 posts.  The final results after this are:

MadMag    25
UpperkEES    31
Kithros    18
mthw2vc    18
Kamron3    6
Echo51    7
Ebon Heart    11
thepenguin    10

Based on these results, the first 4 in the list should become chat mods.

Remember how this works.
As Lieutenant Rasczak from Starship Troopers says:
"You're it until you're dead or I find someone better."

Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Ebon Heart on October 13, 2011, 03:21:40 PM
Quote from: virgilw on October 13, 2011, 12:19:51 PM
I have tabulated the final scores.  I discarded any votes from forum members that had 0 posts.  The final results after this are:

MadMag    25
UpperkEES    31
Kithros    18
mthw2vc    18
Kamron3    6
Echo51    7
Ebon Heart    11
thepenguin    10

Based on these results, the first 4 in the list should become chat mods.

Remember how this works.
As Lieutenant Rasczak from Starship Troopers says:
"You're it until you're dead or I find someone better."


5th place... so close. Oh well, back to my goal of... not getting on here, and studying/working on websites instead. Which I've been failing at recently. *sigh*
EDIT: I remembered that the voting was ending today, so I got on to check on it.
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: lich98 on October 13, 2011, 03:45:26 PM
cool thanks virgil

EDIT: fixed virgils name
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: thepenguin on October 13, 2011, 04:50:32 PM
6th place, so close
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: UpperKEES on October 13, 2011, 05:27:42 PM
Quote from: lich98 on October 13, 2011, 03:45:26 PM
vergil

Your worst spelling mistake so far. :P (And still quoting Einstein!)
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Kamron3 on October 13, 2011, 05:40:03 PM
Quote from: UpperKEES on October 13, 2011, 05:27:42 PM
Your worst spelling mistake so far. :P (And still quoting Einstein!)

Don't you mean Ienstien? :P
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: lich98 on October 13, 2011, 06:05:33 PM
Quote from: Kamron3 on October 13, 2011, 05:40:03 PM
Quote from: UpperKEES on October 13, 2011, 05:27:42 PM
Your worst spelling mistake so far. :P (And still quoting Einstein!)

Don't you mean Ienstien? :P

I'll fix it... Should I just say sorry in my signature?
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: UpperKEES on October 13, 2011, 06:13:47 PM
Quote from: lich98 on October 13, 2011, 06:05:33 PM
Should I just say sorry in my signature?

No need for that. Just check one tiny box.... ;)

(http://www.ajaykumarsingh.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/firefox-spell-checker.jpg)
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Colin on October 13, 2011, 07:04:03 PM
Congratulations to UpperKEES, MadMag,
Kithros and mthw2vc! I'm sure you will
keep the Chat nice and tidy.  ;)
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Kamron3 on October 13, 2011, 07:08:30 PM
Quote from: Colin on October 13, 2011, 07:04:03 PM
Congratulations to UpperKEES, MadMag,
Kithros and mthw2vc! I'm sure you will
keep the Chat nice and tidy.  ;)

Why are you
typing like
this?
Title: Re: Call for chat room moderators
Post by: Colin on October 13, 2011, 07:50:35 PM
Quote from: Kamron3 on October 13, 2011, 07:08:30 PM
Why are you
typing like
this?

Its easier to read if you're lines of text aren't
longer than a certain length. This way you
only have to move your eyes up and down
instead of left-to-right then back down and
all the way over to the left to continue.  ;)

It is also a sort of tribute to the way SPIFFEN
types.  :)