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Author: UpperKEES (http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld/viewmaps.php?author=UpperKEES)
Desc:
Based on a painting by Miss Melissa.
The more envy (green), the creepier it gets. Make sure the survivors won't become a victim of envy.
Title: | Hard Art 2: Envy |
Difficulty: | Hard |
Creeper type: | Land only |
Remarks: | Based on a painting by Miss Melissa.
The more envy (green), the creepier it gets. Make sure the survivors won't become a victim of envy.
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Description: | This map is based on a painting by Miss Melissa, probably the best known artist in the Creeper World. Not (yet) because of her works, but just because she's a very good and regular player as well.
Her paintings (for sale!) are very suitable to be translated into a CW map, so I've decided to use another of her works for a future one.
The more envy (green), the creepier it gets. Make sure the survivors won't become a victim of envy.
ARTIST: Melissa Dumais
TITLE: Envy
MATERIAL: acrylic on canvas
YEAR: 2009
DIMENSIONS: 50.8 x 40.6 cm
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Download page: | Hard Art 2: Envy (http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld/mapcomments.php?id=2707) |
Full size screen shot: | (http://knucklecracker.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=978.0;attach=974;image)
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Based on: | (http://knucklecracker.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=978.0;attach=976;image)
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More art: | See here for more maps about art (and jobs) ;) (http://knucklecracker.com/forums/index.php?topic=978.0) |
hehe, looks better than my painting. im gonna go try it out now. thanks :)
Great map! def had to restart a few times, but im gonna try that again. im sure i can cut a few mins off.
Very fun. I seem to be a little slow though.
Quote from: Miss Melissa on July 25, 2010, 11:59:44 PM
hehe, looks better than my painting. im gonna go try it out now. thanks :)
Thanks, I'm glad you're happy with it, but I don't agree. I really missed gold in my color spectrum.... ;) I hope you don't mind I used grey instead of white for the lower horizontal and vertical bars, because I wanted to keep the map playable as well (otherwise it would have been hard to distinguish level 2 and level 3). I almost always have to improvise a little, but I tried to keep the painting as original as possible. The same goes for the dimensions: I had to stretch the picture a bit and compensate the circles afterwards to keep them round.
Quote from: Miss Melissa on July 26, 2010, 02:21:10 AM
Great map! def had to restart a few times, but im gonna try that again. im sure i can cut a few mins off.
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I needed some restarts (at least 4) myself to obtain this time. During testing my time was something like 18:50. I'm still not sure whether it's better to use flying mortars or drones to keep the pods alive.
Quote from: fraterpotens on July 26, 2010, 02:34:30 AM
Very fun. I seem to be a little slow though.
Thanks! Your speed and completion times will improve a lot when you play more hard maps. When I started this game my times were awful (> 45 minutes for rather easy conquest maps) and I wouldn't have been able to complete the maps I make myself now. With some experience you'll find out what priorities to set. In the comments of my other maps (especially the Nice Job series) you'll find quite some useful tips that can be applied to many other maps as well.
Fun map! I do like the idea of increasing the creeper frequency as the game continues. I think next time I will go through the middle instead of the top ;D
Quote from: snowmaker (JM) on July 26, 2010, 12:56:16 PM
Fun map!
Thanks! :)
Quote from: snowmaker (JM) on July 26, 2010, 12:56:16 PM
I do like the idea of increasing the creeper frequency as the game continues.
Yeah, I've used that for about 6 of my maps, but I actually forgot that I did it for this one as well (I finished it a while ago)! :D
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The frequency increases happen at 4, 8 and 12 minutes (and the intensity also increases slightly this time).
Quote from: snowmaker (JM) on July 26, 2010, 12:56:16 PM
I think next time I will go through the middle instead of the top ;D
Heheh! :D
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I did it the other way around; first I went through the middle, but the last attempt I went over the top.
Quote from: snowmaker (JM) on July 26, 2010, 12:56:16 PM
I think next time I will go through the middle instead of the top ;D
Heheh! I did it the other way around; first I went through the middle, but the last attempt I went over the top.
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I noticed that I could safely hold the center emitter with three blasters. Then use a mortar or two to keep the corner emitters at bay.
BTW, I didn't even bother trying to cap the bottom right emitter, that may have been a mistake :-\
Quote from: snowmaker (JM) on July 26, 2010, 02:29:19 PM
I noticed that I could safely hold the center emitter with three blasters. Then use a mortar or two to keep the corner emitters at bay.
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True, the center needs 3, the others just 2.
Quote from: snowmaker (JM) on July 26, 2010, 02:29:19 PM
BTW, I didn't even bother trying to cap the bottom right emitter, that may have been a mistake :-\
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Hmmm, that's the first one I cap, but I didn't cap the center one last time.
lasted a little over 10 minutes with 3 drones playing defense one mortar keeping the base safe, and two blasters to work on advancing. The sad part, one of the drones had just finished refilling and was almost to the pod that got destroyed.
I assume you had a deficit causing your drones to refuel slowly?
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I use only 2 drones (simultaneously) and the pods never got in danger. When you target number 1 in a deep part between the left and the top pod and number 2 in a deep part between the left and the bottom pod you should be fine, but you can't wait too long after refuelling them. The right pod will be save because of you mortar. I would add a second mortar later on to be able to expand your terrain, which will be more effective than the blasters.
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But before you advance first build up as much energy as the available space allows. Use the blasters mainly to cap the emitters and in tight area's. Having some storage might help you to supply enough fuel for the drones (if you're able to keep it filled up).
I hope this helps; let me know if you get stuck again.
UpperKEES you gotta use the painting that is showed you that my friend did +)
Thanks UpperKEES & of course Miss Melissa
That was a fun map and nice for a change to be able to get going so quickly in your maps. I expected it to be harder.
Having said that though, I'd say I failed half a dozen times before I got a time in. TBH it probably saved me posting a really slow time - I kept losing the survivors on the left by not paying attention.
Interesting in the scope for different ways of doing it - evident in the comments above.
I actually didnt use any blasters (and only 3 mortars and 3 drones) until I launched into the middle after making six. I actually only capped the middle and top right in my second time.
Happy with my time - which I think I could shave a minute or so off but that is about it.
Liking this series UpperKEES. Thanks for the time and effort.
Quote from: UpperKEES on July 26, 2010, 10:24:44 AM
Thanks, I'm glad you're happy with it, but I don't agree. I really missed gold in my color spectrum.... ;) I hope you don't mind I used grey instead of white for the lower horizontal and vertical bars, because I wanted to keep the map playable as well (otherwise it would have been hard to distinguish level 2 and level 3). I almost always have to improvise a little, but I tried to keep the painting as original as possible. The same goes for the dimensions: I had to stretch the picture a bit and compensate the circles afterwards to keep them round.
i dont mind at all, it looks great!
thanks for putting so much time and effort into making my art fun and come alive. :)
ive gotten some PM's about my art and would like to add some of my other paintings here (if thats ok with u).. just as soon as i have time and someone can let me know how i can post pics here without them being online already. :P
Quote from: RichieRich on July 27, 2010, 09:03:43 AM
Thanks UpperKEES & of course Miss Melissa
you are welcome :)
Quote from: F0R on July 27, 2010, 06:34:59 AM
UpperKEES you gotta use the painting that is showed you that my friend did +)
I'm not completely sure which one you mean. Please remind me! Anybody with a good idea is welcome to suggest; I have 3 spots left at the moment (although I have several options already).
Quote from: RichieRich on July 27, 2010, 09:03:43 AM
Thanks UpperKEES & of course Miss Melissa
That was a fun map and nice for a change to be able to get going so quickly in your maps. I expected it to be harder.
I realize I did put 3 Expert Only maps online before this one (including 'Bored To Death'), but most to come will be just hard, so comparable to this one. I needed to give the player some more initial starting space to be able to generate enough energy for at least 1 mortar and 2 drones and still keep building (so a minimum of 4 units of energy per second).
Quote from: RichieRich on July 27, 2010, 09:03:43 AM
Having said that though, I'd say I failed half a dozen times before I got a time in. TBH it probably saved me posting a really slow time - I kept losing the survivors on the left by not paying attention.
I failed a couple of times myself as well. Not because I forgot about them, but because I wanted to save them as late as possible to save energy and set a fast time. Twice the left pod died on me at the moment my drones just dropped their first bombs. I also forgot about the emitters increases and kept wondering why I was first able to save them with flying mortars and later couldn't. :P If you don't play for the high score it shouldn't be too hard to keep them alive though. Maybe setting a cooking timer (every 3 minutes or so) might help to remind people! ;D
Quote from: RichieRich on July 27, 2010, 09:03:43 AM
Interesting in the scope for different ways of doing it - evident in the comments above.
I actually didnt use any blasters (and only 3 mortars and 3 drones) until I launched into the middle after making six. I actually only capped the middle and top right in my second time.
Happy with my time - which I think I could shave a minute or so off but that is about it.
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Yep, mortars are a lot more useful than blasters on this map. I've tried to give them a more important role after releasing quite some 'blaster maps' during the Nice Job series.
Quote from: RichieRich on July 27, 2010, 09:03:43 AM
Liking this series UpperKEES. Thanks for the time and effort.
Thanks! I hope you'll like the next ones as well. I've tried to keep adding 'new' things in my maps, so I hope you're up for a little experiment.
Quote from: Miss Melissa on July 27, 2010, 11:19:43 AM
i dont mind at all, it looks great!
thanks for putting so much time and effort into making my art fun and come alive. :)
I'm glad to read this, because 'changing' a work of art is often not liked by the artist. It was a lot of fun to make this map!
Quote from: Miss Melissa on July 27, 2010, 11:19:43 AM
ive gotten some PM's about my art and would like to add some of my other paintings here (if thats ok with u).. just as soon as i have time and someone can let me know how i can post pics here without them being online already. :P
Sure, that's fine; they are worth seeing. :) I'll send you a PM how to do this, but please don't post the picture yet of your second painting I'll use.
Quote from: UpperKEES on July 27, 2010, 03:41:53 AM
I assume you had a deficit causing your drones to refuel slowly? I use only 2 drones (simultaneously) and the pods never got in danger. When you target number 1 in a deep part between the left and the top pod and number 2 in a deep part between the left and the bottom pod you should be fine, but you can't wait too long after refuelling them. The right pod will be save because of you mortar. I would add a second mortar later on to be able to expand your terrain, which will be more effective than the blasters. But before you advance first build up as much energy as the available space allows. Use the blasters mainly to cap the emitters and in tight area's. Having some storage might help you to supply enough fuel for the drones (if you're able to keep it filled up).
I hope this helps; let me know if you get stuck again.
I don't think i had a deficit, and i did have one storage built. I don't remember how many reactors i had running, i think the final count before i lost (yup you guessed it the far left pod) was at least 7 reactors, and a few collectors for expanding my network. I'll keep in mind to put off on building any blasters though until i'm ready to take out like the center emitter. My problem may have just been like what you and a few others had, i just waited just a bit too long to send the drones back out, i'm not the best multitasker on CW. (which is another reason i don't like air juggling maps, not that any of that had to be done here)
Quote from: NNR_Alex on July 27, 2010, 03:01:49 PM
I don't think i had a deficit, and i did have one storage built. I don't remember how many reactors i had running, i think the final count before i lost (yup you guessed it the far left pod) was at least 7 reactors, and a few collectors for expanding my network. I'll keep in mind to put off on building any blasters though until i'm ready to take out like the center emitter. My problem may have just been like what you and a few others had, i just waited just a bit too long to send the drones back out, i'm not the best multitasker on CW. (which is another reason i don't like air juggling maps, not that any of that had to be done here)
7 reactors only give you 2.1 energy, so with the few collectors and Odin City this makes a total of about 3.5, which is not much after 10 minutes of game play. Better generate some more before you start building anything else.
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I would cap the bottom right emitter first. That one is easier (weaker and closer) and it will give you enough space to build anything you like.
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The closer you get to the pods, the less important your drones become, so you can use one of them to support your blasters advancing. Just make sure you keep using the other to keep the left pod alive.
Fun map. I liked both the map and the piece of art behind it. Terrain wise, I liked how parts would fill up, then spill into the next section.
My assult strategy was to go around, and not through. I never set foot on the big green dot. Some mistakes I made and learned from were:
1. To build relays insted of collector heading to the far end, I lost a couple times moving a blaster and not realising it was keeping the network connected.
2. The small green dot on the top right can be held by 2 blasters, but (unless you are very fast) they will probally need to be replaced. I also learned that the hard way.
3. I learned I did not have enough energy by the end, which almost caused me to lose the map. By the end, I probally had one second to spare before my blasters would have run out of juice and the emmiter would have taken out my relay. :o Close...
here you are The pic that my friend did in year four. Very well designed
http://yfrog.com/jaartnp
Quote from: Fisherck on July 27, 2010, 04:02:37 PM
Fun map. I liked both the map and the piece of art behind it. Terrain wise, I liked how parts would fill up, then spill into the next section.
My assult strategy was to go around, and not through. I never set foot on the big green dot. Some mistakes I made and learned from were:
1. To build relays insted of collector heading to the far end, I lost a couple times moving a blaster and not realising it was keeping the network connected.
2. The small green dot on the top right can be held by 2 blasters, but (unless you are very fast) they will probally need to be replaced. I also learned that the hard way.
3. I learned I did not have enough energy by the end, which almost caused me to lose the map. By the end, I probally had one second to spare before my blasters would have run out of juice and the emmiter would have taken out my relay. :o Close...
Thanks Fisherck! I think these are some very nice tips. Great time as well! Sometimes you just need a little luck (referring to that 1 second).
Quote from: F0R on July 28, 2010, 03:03:03 AM
here you are The pic that my friend did in year four. Very well designed
http://yfrog.com/jaartnp
Ah, that one! I remember now. If I had a kid myself I might have included one of his/her 'works' as well, but I'll skip this one if you don't mind. ;) I did use the Escher-like impossible cube by the way (which will be HA-4).
as promised.. here are some of my other paintings. if u want to see more.. just ask. :)
Nice paintings =)
Quote from: Miss Melissa on July 29, 2010, 10:04:55 PM
as promised.. here are some of my other paintings. if u want to see more.. just ask. :)
Thanks, I love them! :) You might want to attach the full size pictures however, because these thumbnails don't provide much detail and your works are worth seeing!
Quote from: SPIFFEN on July 29, 2010, 10:08:00 PM
Nice paintings =)
Yeah, and she created almost 30 of them (as far as I know).
Quote from: UpperKEES on July 27, 2010, 02:10:08 PM
I've tried to keep adding 'new' things in my maps, so I hope you're up for a little experiment.
This (http://knucklecracker.com/forums/index.php?topic=4127.0) is what I was talking about....
Miss Melissa, I LOVE YOUR ARTWORK PLEASE POST MORE!!!
Quote from: Mare on July 30, 2010, 07:12:56 PM
Miss Melissa, I LOVE YOUR ARTWORK PLEASE POST MORE!!!
u think lying is an art form.. should i believe u? ;)
of course i will! ;D
tho i think ive posted the best of em already.
Quote from: UpperKEES on July 30, 2010, 12:21:52 PM
Thanks, I love them! :) You might want to attach the full size pictures however, because these thumbnails don't provide much detail and your works are worth seeing!
too pixely if i make em bigger, but thank you.
thanks for giving me a platform to show off my stuff, it rarely gets seen beyond friends, family and the odd client.
Quote from: Miss Melissa on July 31, 2010, 02:36:03 AM
too pixely if i make em bigger, but thank you.
You shouldn't enlarge them by resizing, but just attach the original pictures instead of the thumbnails.
Quote from: Miss Melissa on July 31, 2010, 02:36:03 AM
thanks for giving me a platform to show off my stuff, it rarely gets seen beyond friends, family and the odd client.
You're welcome. I think HA-8 will be the map based on your second painting.
Melissa, i think 'oops' is my favorite out of the paintings you uploaded. After two semesters in college of painting, and the painting classes in high school/grade school, i have nothing but respsect for painters that can make good works, I find it extremly challenging to do.
Quote from: NNR_Alex on August 03, 2010, 06:01:27 AM
Melissa, i think 'oops' is my favorite out of the paintings you uploaded. After two semesters in college of painting, and the painting classes in high school/grade school, i have nothing but respsect for painters that can make good works, I find it extremly challenging to do.
thank you very much, i appreciate that. :)
UK - if you're still monitoring this one, how about a little guidance?
Screenshot at the 9:46 mark.
Thanks,
dbit
[Edit - sorry - I tried to hide the image, but can't figure it out.]
[Edit 2 - nevermind - got it...now just have to remember to use the Drones when they're ready.
Your idea about a timer might help. :)]
So does this mean you're fine at the moment?
Quote from: UpperKEES on December 28, 2010, 10:06:15 PM
So does this mean you're fine at the moment?
Well, in a manner of speaking.
I just lost the left-most survivor (again), yet I am sitting here looking at a full Drone in the hangar waiting for me to actually wake up and do something with it!
:-[
I made it to the 13:40 mark, so now it is just a matter of paying attention.
So far, I am (mostly) having a great time. ;D
Thank you for monitoring and responding.
Need to take a break, find a timer, and pay attention to the details!
What a (typically) great game.
There I was...slightly past the 20 minute mark with only one collector to finish...when my whole connection burned through at that top-right right emitter.
I was going to quit and start over, but wanted to at least be able to prove I had finished.
Lots of fun - thank you.
dbit
Oh well, looking at your time you recovered quickly.
Thanks for playing! :)